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  • Federal registration of guns

    16 47.06%
  • Federal licensing of gun owners

    13 38.24%
  • Instant background checks for dealer transfers

    18 52.94%
  • Instant background checks for private transfers

    15 44.12%
  • 5-day waiting periods for handgun purchases

    10 29.41%
  • 5-day waiting period for all gun purchases

    9 26.47%
  • Ban guns from felons and those adjudicated ‘mentally infirm’

    25 73.53%
  • Ban handguns

    2 5.88%
  • Ban ‘assault weapons’

    4 11.76%
  • Other (specify)

    11 32.35%
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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Here are a couple common-sense things relating to arms control. I'm sure that you'll dispute that these are common sense, since your position on this issue does not employ common sense, but nevertheless here they are:

    • Banning violent ex-cons from owning guns, at least for a couple years after they're released.
    • Banning the possession of **** like grenade launchers that have absolutely no possible defensive purpose.
    Violent ex-cons are not allowed to own firearms. Period. This has been on the books since...well darn near forever.

    Grenade launchers are not firearms under any state law known to man. They are listed as "destructive devices" and owning one requires more paperwork than the US tax code. Every single "legally" owned launcher is tracked very very well.

    Granted, umm, *theoretically* making a rifle launchable grenade on the other hand isn't that hard. I'll also deny knowing how to make Semtex as well.
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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    [LIST][*]Banning violent ex-cons from owning guns, at least for a couple years after they're released.
    I'm okay with that.
    [*]Banning the possession of **** like grenade launchers that have absolutely no possible defensive purpose.
    I'm partially okay with this. Grenade launchers and other incindiary weapons fall under explosive ordinance, I have no problem with requiring an explosive ordinance license for those types of weapons, with full psych evaluation and competency testing, simply because a psyco or dummy could pose a clear and present danger.
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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie1988 View Post
    So your reducing it back to that?
    OK, I don't see any Constitutional prohibition against licensing, registration and background checks. None of those prohibit my owning a firearm
    "Infringement" covers more than prohibition.
    As stated before, they create a precondition to the exercise of the right not inherent to that right, in a form of prior restraint.
    That, necessarily, is an infringement.

    unless your claiming that felons. little children and insane people can't be restricted from having firearms as a Constitutional right.
    Non sequitur.

    Registration doesn't in any manner prohibit ownership or possession whatsoever. The word "restricted" isn't in the Constitution anyway.
    "Infringement" covers more than prohibition.
    As stated before, they create a precondition to the exercise of the right not inherent to that right, in a form of prior restraint.
    That, necessarily, is an infringement.

    Licensing no more "abridges" the right to bear arms than confirmed voter registration and voting restricts the fundamental right to vote.
    Except that resitration to vote IS an inherent part of the right to vote, as it ensures that the voter is voting with the correct ballot.

    And so...
    If you cannot answer my questions, then you cannot use those arguments as applied to the first amendment to support the idea that restrictions on simple posession do not create an infringement on the 2nd.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 12-18-08 at 09:57 AM.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Protesting requires a permit.
    Only based on time/place/manner, and if you are protesting on public property.
    This doesnt in any way create an argument that you can require a permit for simple posession of a firearm.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Here are a couple common-sense things relating to arms control. I'm sure that you'll dispute that these are common sense, since your position on this issue does not employ common sense...
    If that were true, then someone would be able to create a sound argument against my position. Haven't seen that yet, so...

    Banning violent ex-cons from owning guns, at least for a couple years after they're released.
    I dont believe I've ever posted anything that would imply I disagree with thois (see: poll results)

    Banning the possession of **** like grenade launchers that have absolutely no possible defensive purpose.
    The issue here is gun control.
    Arguments regarding weapons other than guns need not apply.
    Never mind that there is an easily made argument that grenade launchers qualify as 'arms' as the temr is used in the 2nd.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Licensing is a form of permission asking. You ask permission to have something, and are given a permit for it. Something which requires permission is not a right, it's a privilege. If to own and bear arms is a right, then you don't need the government's permission to exercise that right if you so choose.
    That's right.
    No matter how much damage libel or slander may cause (and, given that it is banned, it must cause a lot), you STILL do not need to ask the government permission - that is, to get a license - to exercise your right to free speech.

    Its funny -- those that don't bat an eye at the idea of licensing the right to arms will scream like a stuck pig if you suggest licensing the right to free speech.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That's right.
    No matter how much damage libel or slander may cause (and, given that it is banned, it must cause a lot), you STILL do not need to ask the government permission - that is, to get a license - to exercise your right to free speech.

    Its funny -- those that don't bat an eye at the idea of licensing the right to arms will scream like a stuck pig if you suggest licensing the right to free speech.
    Don't gun registrations and licenses help police track down weapons used in crimes? If someone could physically harm a person with free speech you'd have a point.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Don't gun registrations and licenses help police track down weapons used in crimes?
    Even if true... so what? They are -still- infringements.
    Don't wiretaps help track down criminals? Do you advocate we ignore the 4th amendment in order to use them? Why not?

    If someone could physically harm a person with free speech you'd have a point.
    "Harm" is not limited to physical damage to ones' body -- libel and slander are banned because of the harm they cause.
    Thus, I have a point.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Even if true... so what? They are -still- infringements.
    Don't wiretaps help track down criminals? Do you advocate we ignore the 4th amendment in order to use them? Why not?
    Again, comparing it to a drastically different issue. License and Registration are something you volunteer into and are transparent processes. If you took away every law that "infringed" on our rights there would be little left. The constitution is not some perfect creation that if followed will lead to a Utopian society. I'm sure if we went into other issues you could find numerous instances where the benefits of infringing on rights outweighed the consequences.

    "Harm" is not limited to physical damage to ones' body -- libel and slander are banned because of the harm they cause.
    Thus, I have a point.
    Regardless, I don't believe libel and slander can be placed on the same level as murder. Not to mention it is usually not difficult to determine the offender which is simply not the case where guns are concerned

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Don't gun registrations and licenses help police track down weapons used in crimes? If someone could physically harm a person with free speech you'd have a point.
    They can, it's called slander. There's also inciting riot/panic.
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