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  • Federal registration of guns

    16 47.06%
  • Federal licensing of gun owners

    13 38.24%
  • Instant background checks for dealer transfers

    18 52.94%
  • Instant background checks for private transfers

    15 44.12%
  • 5-day waiting periods for handgun purchases

    10 29.41%
  • 5-day waiting period for all gun purchases

    9 26.47%
  • Ban guns from felons and those adjudicated ‘mentally infirm’

    25 73.53%
  • Ban handguns

    2 5.88%
  • Ban ‘assault weapons’

    4 11.76%
  • Other (specify)

    11 32.35%
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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    IIRC (and please correct me if I'm wrong - the 2nd isn't my forte) the courts have said that the second applies to any weapon 'in common use at the time for lawful purposes' or something to that effect
    The decisions in Miller and Heller effectively include any firearm you'd care to mention under the term "arms" as used in the 2nd.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    OK, you're alright with an 86 year old man with dementia buying a Mini gun and 10,000 rounds of bullets and then declare it wasn't the gun, but the man who killed 340 children - all because you have a platitude.
    Anyone with a weapon I can't defend against that can kill me is a danger to me. The question is of how great a danger?
    No government, no society, could function under your radical platitude given the advancement of weapons for which there is no defense either individually or in mass.
    Since you don't grasp the concept that there are insane and murderous people, if your view was policy and law we would all have to live in deep bunkers. You are the terrorists dream. They could kill anyone and as many as they want if you got your way.

    What about bombs? Can people have and carry explosives?

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie1988 View Post
    OK, you're alright with an 86 year old man with dementia buying a Mini gun and 10,000 rounds of bullets and then declare it wasn't the gun, but the man who killed 340 children....
    If that what you think then you arent paying attention.

    You also havent explained how simple posession causes you harm or creates a clear, present and immediate danger.

    all because you have a platitude.
    You mean, all I have is the argument that forms the basis for limiting the 1st amendment right to 'free speech'.

    Anyone with a weapon I can't defend against that can kill me is a danger to me. The question is of how great a danger?
    The standard isnt 'any danger' or even 'potential danger', but 'a clear, present and immediate' danger.

    No government, no society, could function under your radical platitude given the advancement of weapons for which there is no defense either individually or in mass.
    Unsupportable.

    If you cannot answer my questions, then you cannot use the arguments as applied to the first amendment to support the idea that restrictions on simple posession do not create an infringement on the 2nd.

    Remember -- we're talking about licencing and registration and background checks, all of which are restrictions on simple posession.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 12-17-08 at 04:32 PM.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post

    Remember -- we're talking about licencing and registration and background checks, all of which are restrictions on simple posession.
    So your reducing it back to that?
    OK, I don't see any Constitutional prohibition against licensing, registration and background checks. None of those prohibit my owning a firearm - unless your claiming that felons. little children and insane people can't be restricted from having firearms as a Constitutional right.

    Registration doesn't in any manner prohibit ownership or possession whatsoever. The word "restricted" isn't in the Constitution anyway.

    Licensing no more "abridges" the right to bear arms than confirmed voter registration and voting restricts the fundamental right to vote.
    Last edited by Bonnie1988; 12-17-08 at 04:44 PM.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie1988 View Post
    So your reducing it back to that?
    OK, I don't see any Constitutional prohibition against licensing, registration and background checks. None of those prohibit my owning a firearm - unless your claiming that felons. little children and insane people can't be restricted from having firearms as a Constitutional right.

    Registration doesn't in any manner prohibit ownership or possession whatsoever. The word "restricted" isn't in the Constitution anyway.

    Licensing no more "abridges" the right to bear arms than confirmed voter registration and voting restricts the fundamental right to vote.
    Licensing is a form of permission asking. You ask permission to have something, and are given a permit for it. Something which requires permission is not a right, it's a privilege. If to own and bear arms is a right, then you don't need the government's permission to exercise that right if you so choose.
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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    I'm fine with registering and licensing and waiting. I am, however, opposed to banning ANY gun.
    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Licensing is a form of permission asking. You ask permission to have something, and are given a permit for it. Something which requires permission is not a right, it's a privilege. If to own and bear arms is a right, then you don't need the government's permission to exercise that right if you so choose.
    Protesting requires a permit.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Protesting requires a permit.
    exactly. Don't think the usurpation of rights is limited to the 2nd amendment. The "free speech" zones at the main party conventions, requiring permits for exercise of assembly and association, etc. This is the danger in excusing any assault on any of our rights.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So...
    What IS "common sense" gun control?
    Please explain how your choices are indeed "common sense".
    Here are a couple common-sense things relating to arms control. I'm sure that you'll dispute that these are common sense, since your position on this issue does not employ common sense, but nevertheless here they are:

    • Banning violent ex-cons from owning guns, at least for a couple years after they're released.
    • Banning the possession of **** like grenade launchers that have absolutely no possible defensive purpose.
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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Just enforce the current laws on the books. If you want to go with harsher punishments for crimes committed with firearms, I'll be happy with that. Be sure to throw the mentally "challenged" part in there as well.

    *State sponsored mandatory rifle firearms training on all military ages citizens (18 and up). I'm more concerned with starting a culture of gun safety and respecting firearms than some gang "chulo" figuring out that aiming actually works. Most of those guys already have criminal records and are ineligible anyway.
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