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  • Federal registration of guns

    16 47.06%
  • Federal licensing of gun owners

    13 38.24%
  • Instant background checks for dealer transfers

    18 52.94%
  • Instant background checks for private transfers

    15 44.12%
  • 5-day waiting periods for handgun purchases

    10 29.41%
  • 5-day waiting period for all gun purchases

    9 26.47%
  • Ban guns from felons and those adjudicated ‘mentally infirm’

    25 73.53%
  • Ban handguns

    2 5.88%
  • Ban ‘assault weapons’

    4 11.76%
  • Other (specify)

    11 32.35%
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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    How is "registration" a restriction? I don't see anything in the Constitution saying anything about the right to secretly bear (or own) arms at all.

    Free speech doesn't mean the government can't record what you say or write. Doesn't law require that for many types of publications a copy must be sent to the library of Congress?

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    What is "common sense" gun control?
    Store unloaded and locked, use both hands to grip, watch your background, only reliece the safety and place your finger on the trigger when your actually going to fire......could you be more specific with your question please?

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You seem to think that I am arguing that there is precedent that supports my decision. Not sur ehow you came up with that, but....

    In fact, I am arguing conceptually. That any given court hasnt ruled that way is meaningless.


    Tell me the difference, conceptually.


    This person has commited an action that is not pursuant to this rights.
    Thus, your example here is non-sequitur.
    I thought that you were saying prior restraint does apply - not that it should, and that it does because it applies to the first. I was just showing this to be false - if it's irrelevant to what you're saying disregard the whole thing

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie1988 View Post
    How is "registration" a restriction? I don't see anything in the Constitution saying anything about the right to secretly bear (or own) arms at all.
    This has been explained in a prior post.
    Registration is precondition on the exercise of a right not inherent to that right.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    "Arms", as the term is used in the 2nd, unquestionably applies to any weapon you'd care to mention within the context of a conversation regarding "gun control".


    What is the 2nd amendment equivelant to that?


    What is the 2nd amendment equivelant to that?


    What are the 2nd amendment equivelants to these?


    What are the 2nd amendment equivelants to these?
    You posted:

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If the -concept- applies to one right, it applies to them all.


    And so, as applied to gun ownership -- the government cannot prevent someone from exercising their right to own/buy/use a gun until -after- they do something illegal with it.

    Prior restraint attempts to prevent an illegal act before it happens by restricting a right. In these terms, guns and free speech are the same thing.
    You can't make up your mind it seems. If someone makes their view on practical considerations, you argue it is absolute theory that matters. But when someone then responds that your absolute theory comparison to free speech is wrong, then you shift 180 degrees to claim there is no practical comparison.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I thought that you were saying prior restraint does apply - not that it should, and that it does because it applies to the first. I was just showing this to be false - if it's irrelevant to what you're saying disregard the whole thing
    10-4.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    While we were having a small get together some teenagers pulled up in front of our house and jumped out and started beating our car and a neighbor's with baseball bats for no apparent reason. My husband ran in the house, got our gun, and ran out to fire a warning shot. The kid then proceeded to break our back windshield before running back to the car and taking off. When the cops came they then proceeded to act like a bunch of assholes because we brought out our gun to defend ourselves and our property. When we asked one cop to see if they could get fingerprints off of a beer bottle one of the kids had thrown he said "This ain't CSI" and just left it there, giving us a condensending manner the whole time.Also, according to those pricks, who were passing as cops, using a gun to defend yourself against people like that is against the law. One of the so-called cops actually said that unless the guy is bigger than you, you cannot shoot someone who breaks into your house and call that self defense. Because only if someone is bigger than you can they pose a threat.
    Ever think about relocating? Seriously, some people really don't like where they live for many different reasons, but also won't move. That never made sense to me. There are many urban areas in particular that are so pro-criminal and anti-citizens that you are just victims waiting to happen. Other areas give equally extreme deference to citizens in relation to criminals and crime/ potential crime. Why live where criminals rule law?
    Last edited by Bonnie1988; 12-17-08 at 02:59 PM.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie1988 View Post
    You can't make up your mind it seems. If someone makes their view on practical considerations, you argue it is absolute theory that matters. But when someone then responds that your absolute theory comparison to free speech is wrong, then you shift 180 degrees to claim there is no practical comparison.
    You dont understand.
    I agree that there are limits on the term "free speech" as used in the 1st.
    You may, at your lesiure, apply the -concepts- behind those limits to the 2nd amendment.
    But, you have to argure apples/apples.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You dont understand.
    I agree that there are limits on the term "free speech" as used in the 1st.
    You may, at your lesiure, apply the -concepts- behind those limits to the 2nd amendment.
    But, you have to argure apples/apples.
    The restrictions on free speech - even as prior restraints - are generally too protect others, not to restrain the words. Certain types of words are deemed inherently poising to great a danger to others to allow.

    Restrictions on weapons also are to protect others, not to restrain guns. Certain types of weapons inherently poise to great a danger to others.

    There is an inherent balancing necessary to rights as one right comes to infringe on the rights of others. I have a right - in my opinion - to not be exposed to the danger of someone with nuclear weapons living next door as an extreme example. I have a right to send my children to school without fear of the escalated danger of some demented person entering the school with a fully automatic Uzi in each hand. I have a right to attend a Sarah Palin rally without fear of someone opening up with a fully automatic 50 caliber on us from a mile away.

    But I also have a right to carry my .357 derringer in my purse. I don't see it as an infringement that I first had to obtain a license - which tests you on basic gun law and usage knowledge. Rather, I see that requirement as balancing rights of myself and others. I would support a requirement that a person complete and pass a gun safety course prior to gun ownership. I would support that strongly.
    Last edited by Bonnie1988; 12-17-08 at 03:07 PM.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie1988 View Post
    Ever think about relocating? Seriously, some people really don't like where they live for many different reasons, but also won't move. That never made sense to me. There are many urban areas in particular that are so pro-criminal and anti-citizens that you are just victims waiting to happen. Other areas give equally extreme deference to citizens in relation to criminals and crime/ potential crime. Why live where criminals rule law?
    Vandalism occurs everywhere. Every morning on the news I see home invasions going up across the whole city. Criminals do not rule the law here, where I live is a quiet little neighborhood that one time got vandalized by stupid teenagers. Also right now I am not in a position to move but that's a whole other story. Besides that even if I could move, I wouldn't. I love where I live and am not going to let some wanna be thugs ruin it here.

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