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  • Federal registration of guns

    16 47.06%
  • Federal licensing of gun owners

    13 38.24%
  • Instant background checks for dealer transfers

    18 52.94%
  • Instant background checks for private transfers

    15 44.12%
  • 5-day waiting periods for handgun purchases

    10 29.41%
  • 5-day waiting period for all gun purchases

    9 26.47%
  • Ban guns from felons and those adjudicated ‘mentally infirm’

    25 73.53%
  • Ban handguns

    2 5.88%
  • Ban ‘assault weapons’

    4 11.76%
  • Other (specify)

    11 32.35%
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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    After reading some of your posts, I think we argue rather similar things. But in terms of property I'm not sure I can agree with that. You can say guns are legal, but selling guns is illegal (restriction of sales) and that is a defacto-gun ban. Property and contract are rights and if something is legal, then I think people are more than free to sell that property.
    I don't think you can say selling weapons is illegal because of property rights, but it is regulatable.

    That's where the difference between what is a right and what is a privelidge.

    I don't think gun ownership is regulatable because it is a right.

    Where as the ability to sell weapons is a privelidge and it can require licensing and regulation etc.

    I don't think it would be possible to revoke that privelidge, though, without violating property rights.

    But I do think it's possible to punish someone for not following protocols and regulations associated with that privelidge.

    Selling guns is very similar to like selling alcohol or tobacco. Orignally I said "selling guns for profit" in this thread, which is different form the personal sale of a weapon.


    Overall, I'm very much in support of gun rights as well as the ability to obtain gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Where did anyone state that they would ban sales or restrict sales of guns or make any hostile gestures towards anyone, in fact, before you ranted about killing people?
    You claimed I do not have the right to sell my gun.

    You thus implicitly support people trying to get "enforcement" on me if I sell my gun in spite of your rules.

    You may or may not realize it, but your position contains an implied threat.

    When you make "X" illegal, that means you threaten to send armed men to attack anyone doing "X". If I have a right to "X" and will not be bullied out of it, then these men roll the dice and we have a gunfight. If anyone sends armed men to attack me , you can bet that if I survive, my next move is to find and kill whoever sent them.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    You claimed I do not have the right to sell my gun.
    You don't have a "right" to sell guns. You have the privilege to do so. That is what I said.

    Where is there a right to sell guns expressly stated in the constitution? If you cannot cite this as a right, then I am correct.

    Until you can cite an express right to sell property, I'm going to assume you made it up. If you can cite for me a right to sell property, I'll concede my error. I do this all the time if I am misinformed on a subject.

    You thus implicitly support people trying to get "enforcement" on me if I sell my gun in spite of your rules.
    If someone breaks the law, I would hope they get arrested, yes. You don;t have the right to sell your werapon. You have the privelidge to do so. If you do so in an illegal way, I do hope that law enforcement to do their jobs yes. That is not a threat, but it is just how laws work.

    You may or may not realize it, but your position contains an implied threat.
    There is absolutely no threat in my position.

    When you make "X" illegal, that means you threaten to send armed men to attack anyone doing "X". If I have a right to "X" and will not be bullied out of it, then these men roll the dice and we have a gunfight. If anyone sends armed men to attack me , you can bet that if I survive, my next move is to find and kill whoever sent them.
    If someone who breaks the law then compounds that by shooting at police officers, I hope that teh police officers respond in kind and kill that person.

    Such a raving lunatic is a danger to society and they deserve to die.
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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Property is an inherent right though; pursuit of life, liberty, and property. It's from Locke, and Locke influenced many of the founders. The Constitution doesn't grant rights, it merely lists a few of them. The full of our rights aren't included in it. Anything not specifically granted to the Federal government is reserved by the People and the many States.
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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Property is an inherent right though; pursuit of life, liberty, and property. It's from Locke, and Locke influenced many of the founders. The Constitution doesn't grant rights, it merely lists a few of them. The full of our rights aren't included in it. Anything not specifically granted to the Federal government is reserved by the People and the many States.
    IT is stunning how few people understand this fact. They assume the centralized government PROPERLY has the power to do whatever it wants unless the courts say otherwise when in reality, the centralized federal government properly only has the power to do that which was expressly granted it in the constitution. THus those lamers who claim the second amendment does not apply to individuals and/or those not in the militia almost always fail to tell us what part of the constitution gives the federal government the power to act as to arms.
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    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
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    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Property is an inherent right though; pursuit of life, liberty, and property. It's from Locke, and Locke influenced many of the founders. The Constitution doesn't grant rights, it merely lists a few of them. The full of our rights aren't included in it. Anything not specifically granted to the Federal government is reserved by the People and the many States.
    Which means that they can legally be infringed.
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    After purchase tracking & audits

    I feel that a good way would be after a gun purchase the gun should have a tracking record for example as soon as the gun is stolen or discovered missing it should be filed. Selling to friends should be filed for tracking. Giving as a gift should be filed for tracking, etc...

    To have the right to be a gun owner then should allow the gov. to do random audits to see if you are still in possesion of all your guns with possible penalties for not helping keep track of them?

    Maybe this could be a start to keep guns off the streets?
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    Re: After purchase tracking & audits

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    I feel that a good way would be after a gun purchase the gun should have a tracking record for example as soon as the gun is stolen or discovered missing it should be filed. Selling to friends should be filed for tracking. Giving as a gift should be filed for tracking, etc...

    To have the right to be a gun owner then should allow the gov. to do random audits to see if you are still in possesion of all your guns with possible penalties for not helping keep track of them?

    Maybe this could be a start to keep guns off the streets?

    How does this prevent crime? It only places a burden on law abiding gun owners, and thus violates their rights.
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    Arrow Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Which means that they can legally be infringed.
    Absolutely and completely wrong.

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    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

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    Re: After purchase tracking & audits

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    I feel that a good way would be after a gun purchase the gun should have a tracking record for example as soon as the gun is stolen or discovered missing it should be filed. Selling to friends should be filed for tracking. Giving as a gift should be filed for tracking, etc...

    To have the right to be a gun owner then should allow the gov. to do random audits to see if you are still in possesion of all your guns with possible penalties for not helping keep track of them?

    Maybe this could be a start to keep guns off the streets?
    a fascist fantasy. You claim to be a conservative?
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    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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