View Poll Results: What is "common sense" gun control?

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  • Federal registration of guns

    16 47.06%
  • Federal licensing of gun owners

    13 38.24%
  • Instant background checks for dealer transfers

    18 52.94%
  • Instant background checks for private transfers

    15 44.12%
  • 5-day waiting periods for handgun purchases

    10 29.41%
  • 5-day waiting period for all gun purchases

    9 26.47%
  • Ban guns from felons and those adjudicated ‘mentally infirm’

    25 73.53%
  • Ban handguns

    2 5.88%
  • Ban ‘assault weapons’

    4 11.76%
  • Other (specify)

    11 32.35%
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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    How then do you propose we keep guns out of the hands of felons?
    This has been previously addressed.
    You cannot restrict someone exercising a right 'just in case' they might be committing a crime when doing do. Doing so is a form of prior restraint, which is an infringement.

    As a law abiding citizen I have no problem whatsoever with being subject to a background check to prove that I am. Haven't been wrongfully accused of being a felon yet.
    Hmm. Tell me how you feel about warrantless wiretaps.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    So how is requiring voter registration any different?
    If you would have bothered to read the thread, you'd know this was addressed. Of course, since it is apparent that you arent interested in an honest discussion...

    Voter registration ensures that the voter is voting in the proper place, with the proper ballot. These are inherent to the right to vote, and as such, registration is not a precondition to the exercise of the right to vote that is not inherent to same.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Only the instant background check does not violate the second, 9th and tenth amendments.

    Proper gun control is a figure 8 grouping on a double tap at 15Yards in 1/4th of a second
    Gun Control is winning the Wimbeldon Cup with a Brown Bess

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If you would have bothered to read the thread, you'd know this was addressed. Of course, since it is apparent that you arent interested in an honest discussion...

    Voter registration ensures that the voter is voting in the proper place, with the proper ballot. These are inherent to the right to vote, and as such, registration is not a precondition to the exercise of the right to vote that is not inherent to same.
    You really shouldn't talk about "honest discussion". Every time someone mentions background check you act as if it is to root out future felons.

    If you don't support background checks, how do you prevent felons from purchasing firearms?

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    You really shouldn't talk about "honest discussion". Every time someone mentions background check you act as if it is to root out future felons.

    If you don't support background checks, how do you prevent felons from purchasing firearms?
    I have answered this question 3 times.

    And, I noticed you didnt counter my voter registration argument.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 12-22-08 at 11:08 AM.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I think an issue comes into play regarding what is "common sense". I think evveryone can agree by the results that "Banning guns from felons and the mentaly infirm" with over 80% of voters agreeing on it falls into that category.

    But what about the near 50% responses. Is that common sense? Or is that a dichotomy on views? I would lean towards the latter.
    "Common sense" necessitates that there is some degree of 'sense' to begin with.

    To determine that, you have to ask yourself:
    -What is the objective at hand?
    -Does the item in question achieve that objective?
    -Does the item in question harm others while achieving that objective?

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I have answered this question 3 times.

    And, I noticed you didnt counter my voter registration argument.
    I didn't counter because you brought up a good point and I agree, there are differences which make my comparison wrong.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by rsixing View Post
    Excuse me if this question has been asked since I'm at work and unable to read the whole thread...

    I'm curious how we separate the law abiding from the convicted felon without a background check when it comes to purchasing a weapon?

    Let me know when you figure that out.
    You are right -- this has been asked and answered.

    You think you can use the law to keep people from breaking the law -- that is, that you can pre-empt crime. In this case, the crime is the illegal purchase of a firearm.

    The entire concept behind prior restraint is that you cannot infringe on the rights of people 'because they might' commit a crime, or 'just in case' they commit a crime -- you have to wait until they actually DO commit a crime before you can act.

    You then enforce the law that was broken and punish the person that broke it.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 12-22-08 at 03:41 PM.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You think you can use the law to keep people from breaking the law -- that is, that you can pre-empt crime. In this case, the crime is the illegal purchase of a firearm.
    There's another crime involved. The illegal sale of a firearm.

    That is the crime that can be prevented by background checks, IMO. It's not on eht ebuyer, it's on the seller.

    The only disqualification for the sale would be if the buyer is inelligable.

    Think if it like carding in order to sell liquor.

    The right to bear arms is a right, the right to distribute arms for profit is not a right.

    That's the only point of contention I would make in favor of background checks.

    It is not on the purchaser, it is on the seller.
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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Thus, I should add, the prior restraint is on the seller, not the purchaser. It is not prior restreaint on a right.
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