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Thread: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I am a vet. I was in Iraq for seven months. Welcome to the DP. And this misses the point entirely. Kali has no right to make generalized statements as to whose life was wasted and whose wasn't. The only person who can make that determination is the one making the sacrifice. If I had died in Iraq the last thing I'd want is for some fringe leftist whackos to use it as an excuse to berate the President.



    No doubt a definitive collection of data. Saracasm aside, these families, although entitled to their opinion, do not get to make that determination as it concerns the troops. Only the ones with boots on the ground get to decide whether or not they are wasting their lives. You do not get to decide for me, nor does Kali, nor does my family. It's my life, my decision.
    I know troops that were in Iraq and they share my same feelings. I am not some leftist wacko so you can spare your personal attacks towards me! Also how the hell do you know if I have been in the service? You do not! You know nothing about me nor my family and friends!

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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    Originally Posted by Ethereal
    I am a vet. I was in Iraq for seven months. Welcome to the DP. And this misses the point entirely. Kali has no right to make generalized statements as to whose life was wasted and whose wasn't. The only person who can make that determination is the one making the sacrifice. If I had died in Iraq the last thing I'd want is for some fringe leftist whackos to use it as an excuse to berate the President.

    No doubt a definitive collection of data. Saracasm aside, these families, although entitled to their opinion, do not get to make that determination as it concerns the troops. Only the ones with boots on the ground get to decide whether or not they are wasting their lives. You do not get to decide for me, nor does Kali, nor does my family. It's my life, my decision.
    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I sincerely thank you for your courage and your service, Ethereal.
    Ethereal, I too would like to thank you for your service. It is truly because of people like you that we are as free a people as we are.

    With that said, I do disagree with your premise that "Only the ones with boots on the ground get to decide whether or not they are wasting their lives." Once someone joins the military their free choice is gone, out the window, kaput. They in effect trust that their leaders, including the president, will hold their lives as valuable as their families do. That their president will only put their lives in danger if it is absolutely necessary.

    This president abused his power and abdicated his responsibility to his military personnel by inserting them into a groundless war based on his own lies. This president put our servicemen and women in further mortal danger because he allowed that imbecile Rumsfeld to go against all common sense and accepted military tactics, by putting all those brave souls in too few number to accomplish their mission with "overwhelming force" to ensure minimal casualties. They also took no steps to protect your fellow servicemen with the proper, and available, equipment to also minimize injuries. Not to mention thinking through the initial invasion and having a well thought out plan for the occupation and withdrawal from said innocent country. Talk about irresponsible!

    Our servicemen and women are not over in Iraq defending their country. They are not now, nor have they ever been, saving their country from any imminent danger of invasion or attack. They all have been sacrificed to serve this president's ego and selfish, financial reasons. Period.

    The trust of these brave souls, including you, has been betrayed. Our service men and women certainly have earned the right to be proud of the job they are doing. However, their families and friends and countrymen also have the right to believe that their lives are being wasted. Many families are absolutely out of their minds po'd at Bush for the senseless killing of their loved one.

    Just because they are in the military does not mean their lives are only the military's to do with what they wish, with no regard to the lunacy of the orders they are obliged to follow. The military can, and does, punish service men and women if they get too bad a sunburn because they are "damaging military property". That's the same assinine attitude some leaders, BUSH!, use when deciding what situations they will send our brave defenders to be in.

    No sir. Believing a loved one's life was wasted in that war of lies is a right all of us own. You were not over there alone. You would not have died alone. You would have been remembered by many, and your honor defended by many. Your life mattered to more than just you. All of ours do.

    Should it come out, via a legal investigation and conviction at trial, that Bush and company led us into a war based on lies (which they did!) it will be written in history (and probably will be anyway) that all those who died in Iraq would have died in vain. A false war is not a war of honor. Fighting, and dying, over a lie is a waste of a brave patriot.

    It is these reasons, at a minimum, that Bush and Cheney should be tried and convicted of treason. Just today Cheney admitted, in an interview, that had all their claims of Iraq having WMDs been known to be false "before they invaded", they still would have been justified invading Iraq. This man belongs behind bars.

    We value men and women like you too much to allow your lives to be wasted in selfish wars of the elite.
    Thank You Barack Obama for Restoring Honor To The Presidency.
    President Obama will rank as one of our greatest presidents!

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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Wrong; but it is typical among those who are uninformed. The people responsible are the thugs, despots and terrorists who blow up police stations, mosques and markets in an effort to prevent peace from occurring.

    It's quite inane to blame Bush for the actions of terrorists, but denial seems to be a Liberal forte' these days.
    We had no business invading Iraq and Bush should be tried for war crimes. He has been a threat to our Nation's Security and should have been impeached

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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    It is probably meaningless to you...
    Only meaningless within the context of our discussion. It wasn't my intention to belittle your experience with this veteran.

    As it wasn't meant or directed toward you in any explanation.
    I'm sorry if I mistook your story for some kind of rebuttal, but normally that's what I assume happens when another person "replies" to the other in a debate forum.

    But thanks for being a d1ck.
    No phallic similarity intended on my part. Apologies.

    I sincerely thank you for your courage and your service, Ethereal.
    You are very much welcome.

    For you to claim if you had been there you would have assulted the shoe guy shows you are no better than him.
    Sorry, but when someone physically attacks another human being without provocation they lose the moral high ground and hence their right not to get kicked in the mouth.

    It also is proof that even idiot Bush has more class and a better sense of humor than you. Bush thought it was funny.
    Yes, I too would laugh at such a pathetic and childish display of emotion. You, on the other hand, characterize it as a noble protest. Lets us know what you think of civilized and constructive dialogue. Tell me, when McDonald's forgets to put ketchup on your cheeseburger do you throw excrement at the employees?

    Bush sheep are more upset over the whole thing than Bush.
    Perhaps you require a lesson in interpreting reality. You see, when one looks at the information under someone's handle (forum name) it provides you with several helpful bits of information; for instance, their political leaning. Why is this important? Because if you have a rough estimation of their ideological perspective it helps you understand where they are coming from. If you looked at my political leaning you would notice it specifies "libertarian". A smart person would logically infer that libertarian-minded individuals, not being fans of Bush, aren't accurately characterized as "Bush sheep" and that you - a partisan hack - are merely making an erroneous and idiotic assumption.

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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    You ALWAYS show respect for the office regardless of your personal feelings. If everyone acted as childish as you would, the world would be a bitter place indeed.

    I guess you are okay when people will show disrespect for Obama because they disagree with his policies? Or is this just another Liberal double standard?
    Respect is something that should be earned not freely given. Nothing childish about that and your having a mild temper tantrum calling me childish is just making you look.. Well.. Childish

    When a nutty right winger disrespect Obama? It does not send me into some lame tizzy. Just something to be expected. Guess I am not as uptight as some
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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Respect is something that should be earned not freely given. Nothing childish about that and your having a mild temper tantrum calling me childish is just making you look.. Well.. Childish
    trust needs to be earned, and regard. however, respect for life should be a given.

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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    trust needs to be earned, and regard. however, respect for life should be a given.
    Agree. I hope it does not appear as if I have no respect for life

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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I have seen numerous interviews; one a 60 minutes interview with a vet who lost both legs, the answers are always the same, they would go back and do their duty again.

    You see, even those who you think are stupid enough to join the military and carry out this mission have more brains in their little fingers than those pacifists who patently lie and distort the facts to fit their narrow partisan views about what this mission was all about.
    Most vets that do not agree with Bush and his war fear speaking out in public about it because they fear for their family about death threats and such.

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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Most vets that do not agree with Bush and his war fear speaking out in public about it because they fear for their family about death threats and such.
    You're full of shit. Thanks for asking.
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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Most vets that do not agree with Bush and his war fear speaking out in public about it because they fear for their family about death threats and such.
    Whatever gave you that idea, vets are not in fear of speaking out in public. There will not be any death threats. As a veteran I can tell you that vets speak out all of the time in public without fear of threats to themselfs or their families.

    Active duty personnel are bound by the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). Freedom of speech is restricted under this code. However I can assure you that there families or their own lifes will not be threatened should they speak out against the war or the Commander in Chief.
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