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Thread: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I do. and it was worth the chuckle. Come on you are better than this.
    You just think im making **** up bud. Your on your side. Im on mine. No point argueing over what can't be proved. And I am not better than this... whatever this is. I am me.
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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    You just think im making **** up bud. Your on your side. Im on mine. No point argueing over what can't be proved. And I am not better than this... whatever this is. I am me.



    No your posts I agree with a lot, disagree with a lot. This "story" you just told, does not pass the logic bar..... Like I said, you are better than this.


    Do you really think you who has not serverd could tell a war vet about how evil he is? DO you really think that he would consider your young naive opinion on such matters given his experience and your lack of?

    Please now. Who do you think you are fooling.


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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    We should not blindly respect someone simply based on whatever postion they may hold in our country.
    hey a little respect never hurt anybody.

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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    Reverend, you're no better right now than those on the left that talk in generalized form about what a "waste" it is and such. You're exactly what Ethereal is talking about, only on the opposite side.

    Who the hell are you to tell Chris he's lieing. You think he is, fine. You stated it. Now yo'ure doing nothing but acting like a dick to him, with absolutely NOTHING backing it up save for your own stereotypes and opinion and you act like its fact while being a jerk.

    Not every soldier is cookie cutter. We are a nation, and thus a military, of individuals. You're ignorant stereotyping is as bad as those that stereotype it that every military person is either ignorant or hates being in Iraq.

    What Dirtpoorchris said is very possible, and at the same time means absolutely nothing in the larger scope of the military for the exact reason I said above. Yes, there is ABSOLUTELY a chance that there are people who feel guilty about what they're doing, feel that its wrong or evil, and feel that the government is betraying them. Yes, there is also a good chance that there are people who feel what we're doing is absolutely needed, the height of patriotism, and is the defining act of our generation. And there's likely a large amount in between that do their job and do it to the best of their ability because that's what they're there to do and they don't really think either way on it.

    Not every person joins the military because they're Joe Marine, wanting to roll up his sleeves and serve his country and fight the bad guys. Converesly, not every person that joins the military is a down and out city kid with only a small bit of smarts who has no real option to possibly make something of himself besides going into the military. There are people from both of those scenarios and dozens upon dozens of others in the military. Ignorant people on both sides trying to portray it all, or even mostly, as one or the other is foolish and nothing but a propogandist with a piss poor, ****ty, agenda that gives more care about scoring their partisan points than the lives of those soldiers no matter what pretty words they try to use.

    You're better than this Reverend, but right now you're exactly the same kind of person using the troops in your stereotyping as what Ethereal is describing, just doing it from the Right instead of the Left.
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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    No your posts I agree with a lot, disagree with a lot. This "story" you just told, does not pass the logic bar..... Like I said, you are better than this.


    Do you really think you who has not serverd could tell a war vet about how evil he is? DO you really think that he would consider your young naive opinion on such matters given his experience and your lack of?

    Please now. Who do you think you are fooling.
    I never told him he was evil.... Hopefully there is a way to prove things in heaven. I'll share a heaven beer with you and say. "I told you so."
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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Reverend, you're no better right now than those on the left that talk in generalized form about what a "waste" it is and such. You're exactly what Ethereal is talking about, only on the opposite side.

    Who the hell are you to tell Chris he's lieing. You think he is, fine. You stated it. Now yo'ure doing nothing but acting like a dick to him, with absolutely NOTHING backing it up save for your own stereotypes and opinion and you act like its fact while being a jerk.

    Not every soldier is cookie cutter. We are a nation, and thus a military, of individuals. You're ignorant stereotyping is as bad as those that stereotype it that every military person is either ignorant or hates being in Iraq.

    What Dirtpoorchris said is very possible, and at the same time means absolutely nothing in the larger scope of the military for the exact reason I said above. Yes, there is ABSOLUTELY a chance that there are people who feel guilty about what they're doing, feel that its wrong or evil, and feel that the government is betraying them. Yes, there is also a good chance that there are people who feel what we're doing is absolutely needed, the height of patriotism, and is the defining act of our generation. And there's likely a large amount in between that do their job and do it to the best of their ability because that's what they're there to do and they don't really think either way on it.

    Not every person joins the military because they're Joe Marine, wanting to roll up his sleeves and serve his country and fight the bad guys. Converesly, not every person that joins the military is a down and out city kid with only a small bit of smarts who has no real option to possibly make something of himself besides going into the military. There are people from both of those scenarios and dozens upon dozens of others in the military. Ignorant people on both sides trying to portray it all, or even mostly, as one or the other is foolish and nothing but a propogandist with a piss poor, ****ty, agenda that gives more care about scoring their partisan points than the lives of those soldiers no matter what pretty words they try to use.

    You're better than this Reverend, but right now you're exactly the same kind of person using the troops in your stereotyping as what Ethereal is describing, just doing it from the Right instead of the Left.



    You read to much into my point zyph.

    My point is I found his story fishy, and called bs.

    you can review as to why I think so, 1. the fact that some random troop would open up in some cry fest over his arguments for one.

    Now he can be telling the truth, but to me it reeks of a fairy tale and I am stating my opinon to him rather respectfully why I think so.


    He can tell his story, I can say I don't believe him. i made no claim that no serving troop thinks ill of this war/.


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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I never told him he was evil.... Hopefully there is a way to prove things in heaven. I'll share a heaven beer with you and say. "I told you so."


    Deal.,



    Your story, just doesn't jive well with me... so be it.


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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You read to much into my point zyph.

    My point is I found his story fishy, and called bs.

    you can review as to why I think so, 1. the fact that some random troop would open up in some cry fest over his arguments for one.

    Now he can be telling the truth, but to me it reeks of a fairy tale and I am stating my opinon to him rather respectfully why I think so.


    He can tell his story, I can say I don't believe him. i made no claim that no serving troop thinks ill of this war/.

    And as I said, I think you were letting your biases and agenda influence your view of it. Where did he say it was a "random troop". He said it was a vet he was talking to. Do you know it wasn't a friend or at least aquantince? Someone he met through a message board or through some group meeting? Maybe through volunteer work? Why is it just a "random troop". By the sounds of his story too I don't see him opening up to a "cry fest" over some of "his arguments". He said he ALMOST was crying at one point, after a long bit of talking when the soldier finally opened up on his own. You scold the "non-serving" Chris for talking to the Soldier about evil, something he never said he did.

    Do you think its possible that for someone disallalusioned by his service could hear someone who, while maybe not having military experience, has a good grasp for politics and government and take their words to heart? I've been studying a particular field of study for 20 years now, and while I'm extremely confident in it I would honestly listen to the words of someone who had even 3 or 4 years experience in a correllary field of study. Why? Because while they may not have the experience in my specific field that I do, they have more experience perhaps...or as much...as me in a similar, yet different, but still connected field. Hell, even with politics. My father was in the Navy for four years, has been interested in politics for years upon years now...yet will listen and accept some of my words after my schooling in Political Science. He doesn't take it all as gospel but I have converted his thoughts on some things through it.

    It wasn't the initial disagreement with Chris's story that bothered me, despite just outright calling "bullship" on it.

    It was the "you're better than this" just flat out essentially saying "you're lieing" that came after.

    Then again, a third post calling it a "story" and claiming he's trying to "fool" people while completely misrepresenting the things he said.

    There's saying you don't believe someone, and then there's just being a dick to them because of that thought.
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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    Hey look Zyph, I don't want to make this a big thing. I will leave it as I got a bad taste in my mouth about this story and still don't believe it.


    Perhaps he can elaborate so maybe I can get a better understanding of it.


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    Re: Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

    No problem, was just coming back in to say its not a big deal. I can understand being skeptical of it. I generally am of such thigns as well. It just seemed you were being way over the top in regards to it and, while I generally often disagree with Dirtpoorchris, it felt like he was getting an unfair shake on that and found it espicially ironic considering Ethereals post.

    I don't think it was your intent, but it just felt like he was getting beat with a stick completley undeservingly.
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