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    Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    A local columnist in Orlando wrote an excellent article on a very expensive battle the State of Florida is fighting to keep a gay couple from adopting their foster kids.

    The state encourages gays to become foster parents, but will spend enough money to raise several kids on a needless lawsuit to prevent gays from adopting.

    If there are any posters here who would not allow the people in the following story to adopt their foster kids, please explain why.


    State's hypocrisy on gay adoptions could tear apart this family

    Frank Gill and his partner rescued two abused brothers, now ages 4 and 8, from a Miami crack house. The foster parents provided a loving home that healed physical and emotional damage.

    And now the Department of Children and Families, which gave the boys over to Gill, is trying to break up the family, spending $260,000 so far on the legal effort.

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    The state recruits gays to serve as foster parents because many provide nurturing shelter for Florida's growing number of abandoned and abused kids.

    The state normally would encourage Gill's request to adopt the brothers.

    But a 1977 law bans gay adoptions in Florida.

    So we have this hypocritical situation in which the state acknowledges gays as good parents while at the same time denying them parenthood.

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    ...Attorney General Bill McCollum's office put on a Byzantine case against Gill's adoption request.

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    The attorney general's main expert witnesses was George Rekers, a Miami clinical psychologist and Baptist minister who believes gays are immoral and has written that gay activists are trying to legalize pedophilia. He argues gays are more prone to depressive disorders, substance abuse and unstable relationships, disqualifying them as adoptive parents.

    Gill's attorneys refuted the state with nationally known experts in health, adoption and child welfare from the John Hopkins University School of Medicine, the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, the UCLA School of Public Health, Rutgers University and the University of Miami medical school.

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    "The state looked for credible, well-respected social scientists to testify in court on its behalf," said Bob Rosenwald, one of Gill's attorneys. "But there were no serious scientists who would take its position."

    Not even for the $60,900 the state paid Rekers.

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    DCF is fighting Gill because it fears a political backlash from social conservatives if he is allowed to adopt the boys. They could bring intense political pressure to ban gay foster parents. That would be devastating, particularly as the economy worsens, the number of abuse cases rises and the state's resources dwindle.



    State's hypocrisy on gay adoptions could tear apart this family -- OrlandoSentinel.com
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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    I object on the grounds that I observe that the welfare of the child in such cases is generally a minor issue. Almost always the justifications are the rights and happiness of the adopters, and those wishing to think themselves morally superior by publicly supporting purported "gay rights."

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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I object on the grounds that I observe that the welfare of the child in such cases is generally a minor issue. Almost always the justifications are the rights and happiness of the adopters, and those wishing to think themselves morally superior by publicly supporting purported "gay rights."
    You may want to read the article. The foster parents in this case have taken in needy, troubled kids and have given them normal lives. Think about an abused kid lousy with ringworm, who wouldn't talk, had never seen a book...

    Why shouldn't the people who took that kid into their home and turned his life around be allowed to adopt him? Regardless of who they sleep with?

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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    I'm certain that there are good examples. But I don't think it's a good idea in general.

    Ultimately, this is a case of performing social experiments on children.

    For what it's worth, I similarly oppose most single parent adoptions as well, and I've enforced that position in my own life.

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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    Do you object, then, to gay couples raising their own biological children, or do you think the State has an obligation to intervene?
    Are you aware that about half of all lesbians have children?

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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Do you object, then, to gay couples raising their own biological children, or do you think the State has an obligation to intervene?
    Are you aware that about half of all lesbians have children?
    I object to them conceiving, to be honest. and if they do, I think they'd show more love to the child by giving up for anonymous adoption.

    Of course, I could be wrong, my opinions in this matter are not extremely firm, but they stand as they are at this point.

    If gays, wish to raise children, then I believe that they should be willing to adopt a heterosexual lifestyle and marriage.

    Please understand, I do not accept the premise that people can have even a majority of the things they want in life. This includes children. I accept a vision of life in which most people get rather little of the things of situations that they might desire, and that this is right and proper.

    But I do firmly believe that the needs of the young child should come before the needs of the parents in any family. This includes the need adults might feel to live in a homosexual relationship.

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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I object to them conceiving, to be honest. and if they do, I think they'd show more love to the child by giving up for anonymous adoption.

    Of course, I could be wrong, my opinions in this matter are not extremely firm, but they stand as they are at this point.

    If gays, wish to raise children, then I believe that they should be willing to adopt a heterosexual lifestyle and marriage.

    Please understand, I do not accept the premise that people can have even a majority of the things they want in life. This includes children. I accept a vision of life in which most people get rather little of the things of situations that they might desire, and that this is right and proper.

    But I do firmly believe that the needs of the young child should come before the needs of the parents in any family. This includes the need adults might feel to live in a homosexual relationship.
    Then the question arrises, what then is the best model for child rearing and why?

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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    Then the question arrises, what then is the best model for child rearing and why?
    I favor a traditional family with a mother and a father and preferably several siblings, for a number of reasons.

    In truth I'd like to see, in our country anyway, fewer and larger child rearing families. I think we'd be best served by having only the most committed raising children.

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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    Then the question arrises, what then is the best model for child rearing and why?
    Because of course it is best to approach social issues with "models" and plenty of equations.
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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post

    In truth I'd like to see, in our country anyway, fewer and larger child rearing families. I think we'd be best served by having only the most committed raising children.
    That's one way to bottleneck the gene pool, I guess.
    I happen to think there's more strength in diversity.

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