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Do you object to gay couples adopting?

Would you allow gay people to adopt?

  • Yes

    Votes: 60 59.4%

  • No

    Votes: 41 40.6%
  • Total voters
    101
What is the argument here? Yes, all things being equal, most people would probably agree that a child is statistically better off in a family where the parents are married and in a stable home. That has been backed up by God knows how many studies over the years.

If there were enough qualified and suitable married couples that were willing to adopt out there to adopt every child that needs to be adopted then there would be no reason to open adoption up to single parents and non traditional families. In such a scenario, every orphan would be matched with a storybook family and we would all live happily ever after in a Utopian paradise on earth.

Thats not reality though. The fact is, there are far more orphans in this world at any given moment then there are qualified and suitable married couples that are willing to adopt. So its rather unconscionable to limit adoption just to them. We know from numerous studies as well that nontraditional families can and do raise perfectly happy, healthy, and well adjusted children, so their is no reason to exclude them.
 
Southern Man said:
I'd like to see the figures how many families are willing to adopt rather than take your word for it.
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Yes, why don't you present that? Because as it stands, there are over 100,000 orphans in the US alone and if there were enough heterosexual couples willing to adopt, we would see significant decrease in that number. A family willing to adopt would go through the procedures to do just that. As it stands we have over 100,000 orphans in this country alone who need loving homes and those homes may have to come in the form of homosexual homes as well. While there is no data indicating that a heterosexual environment is better than a homosexual environment, it is known that a family can provide better for a child than the State over a relatively large number of children. As such, bigotries should be put aside for the sake of the children. Why should they be forced to live in an orphanage if we can increase the base number of families willing to take them in? It makes no sense, so unless there is proof from your side in the form of having the necessary number of couples to significantly decrease the number of orphans and that the heterosexual environment is superior to the homosexual one; then we're just going to have to put bigotries aside and do what is best to get those orphans into loving homes.
 
Captain Obvious said:
Wow - it's funny how some people twist and spin things around in an effort to try to be cute.
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I gave up tryingto be cute a long time ago... it scares people.


Gay people can't produce children.
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Gay guy sticks penis in a woman, ejaculates, impregnates... BOOM. Child production commences. ;)
 
Southern Man said:
My argument is that everything else being equal, a stable man-woman marriage is better qualified to raise a child than any other form of relationship. You appear to be building a straw man of that argument.
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Oh I know what your argument is. My point is that you won't be able to find peer reviewed evidence to back it up.
 
tryreading said:
A local columnist in Orlando wrote an excellent article on a very expensive battle the State of Florida is fighting to keep a gay couple from adopting their foster kids.

The state encourages gays to become foster parents, but will spend enough money to raise several kids on a needless lawsuit to prevent gays from adopting.

If there are any posters here who would not allow the people in the following story to adopt their foster kids, please explain why.
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Not against gay couples adopting at all, i support it as much as i support hetro's adopting babies.
 
tryreading said:
Captain Courtesy did the leg work, earlier in this thread:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057847882-post57.html
http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057847883-post58.html
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Thank you. Southern Man is wrong, as usual. Research shows that 2 parent families, regardless of sexual orientation, rear children equal in functionality on a variety of scales, including social, academics, emotional, and sexual. Southern Man has been called on this before and refuses to cite any evidence. He just says it. The evidence proves him wrong.

Southern Man. Cite your evidence for your position. I and others have already cited our position. Do so, or understand that you are only spewing unsubstantiated opinion. And that and a quarter will get you a stick of gum.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Out of all the posts that I have read of yours about this particular subject I have yet to see you post anything that supports your statement. Without any support from credited scientific resources that has not been debunked your statements are northing more than opinion. Opinion based on no experiance (personal or otherwise) from what I can tell.
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Before you begin to experiment with the lives of children and reject the tried and true formula for raising them I would argue that the burden of proof to try something completely different resides completely on you.
 
tryreading said:
Captain Courtesy did the leg work, earlier in this thread:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057847882-post57.html
http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057847883-post58.html
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It apears that significantly more research is required before reaching CC's conclusion:

.....No data are available regarding gender-role behavior for children of gay fathers. ...

Golombok and Tasker (1996, 1997) studied 25 young adults reared by divorced lesbian mothers and 21 young adults reared by divorced heterosexual mothers. ..... These results were based on a small sample, and they must be interpreted with caution.
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Children of Lesbian and Gay Parents

Also, under the same link:

.... Bailey and his colleagues (1995) studied adult sons of gay fathers and found more than 90% of the sons to be heterosexual.
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Since the incidence of homosexuality is about 1%, this would suggest that kids of gay parents are ten times more likely to be gay.
 
Southern Man said:
It apears that significantly more research is required before reaching CC's conclusion:
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That's one study. Try reading them all. If you need more, I can post them too.

My conclusion is sound. You, on the other hand, have offered nil.



Since the incidence of homosexuality is about 1%, this would suggest that kids of gay parents are ten times more likely to be gay.
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The incidence of homosexuality is between 3%-7%. They said +90%. That fits within the parameters. Further, all research shows that there is no higher propensity of homosexuality amongst children of gay parents than those amongst children of straight parents.

You're wrong. Again.
 
Southern Man said:
Since the incidence of homosexuality is about 1%, this would suggest that kids of gay parents are ten times more likely to be gay.
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1%-10%. There is no exact number or percentage. Which means that there could be as much as 9% less chance of homosexuality.
 
Southern Man said:
Actually, according to the US Census, the number is almost exactly 1%. *shrug*
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Census taker: Are you gay?

Person: No.

Census taker: Are you a gay but in the closet?

Person: :confused:
 
Southern Man said:
Actually, they managed to determine this using much more subtle questioning:

http://www.gaydata.org/02_Data_Sourc..._Long_Form.pdf

See: Person 2 (pdf page 11), question 2: relation to person 1 (related, husband/wife or not related, unmarried partner), question 3: sex. IF person 2 is husband/wife or unmarried partner AND same sex and person 1.....
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Dead link.

If they are in the closet they are just going to claim to be roomates.
 
Southern Man said:
That was the first one I read, which leads me to the conclusion that you haven't read it, or the others, with a critical eye, but merely to support your preconceived conclusion.
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I've read them all. Obviously you have not. If you are going to speak, try to do so with some knowledge to back up what you are saying.
 
Southern Man said:
Actually, according to the US Census, the number is almost exactly 1%. *shrug*
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Since the US 2000 Census form did not ask about sexual orientation, either you are lying or have gotten inaccurate information.
 
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