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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    Quote Originally Posted by rsixing View Post
    Since...?



    You are trying to continue to argue your position from a position that I find untenable, illogical. Comparing race with sexual orientation is not logical. Maybe I'll never find a point when I can find these two comparable.
    Race and sexual preference are not the same at all.

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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Most people I know would slap you if you suggested their family was a 'traditional' one.
    Traditional does not equal good, normal, natural, or anything of the sort.
    It equals "conservative", and I doubt it sounds appealing to anyone but conservatives.
    It's become a catchphrase appropriated by the radical Christian Right.
    "Traditional Family" "Traditional Family Values". Etc.

    It means males are heads of household, females don't work outside the home, and any contraception other than the notoriously ineffective "rhythm method" is taboo.

    Who the hell wants to be "traditional"?
    It's teh suck, if you ask me.

    I think that you are adding too much to it.
    "Traditional Family" simply means a husband and wife with kids, that is all.

    The far right and christian radicals can't hijack the term. The "values" is what cheapens the term.
    Traditional Families are just ones that are "Traditional" and these are obvious and non-debatable.
    "Traditional Families" are cross cultural and timeless.

    A family can be a melding of many things, but just as I was railed on by so many... they just aren't "Traditional".
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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I object on the grounds that I observe that the welfare of the child in such cases is generally a minor issue. Almost always the justifications are the rights and happiness of the adopters, and those wishing to think themselves morally superior by publicly supporting purported "gay rights."
    I've been arguing this point for years.

    The pro-gm argument is about self gratification and ligitomising the gay identity in the public eye. The welfair of the children and family takes a distant 3rd place at best, when it's even mentioned at all.

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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I think that you are adding too much to it.
    "Traditional Family" simply means a husband and wife with kids, that is all.

    The far right and christian radicals can't hijack the term. The "values" is what cheapens the term.
    Traditional Families are just ones that are "Traditional" and these are obvious and non-debatable.
    "Traditional Families" are cross cultural and timeless.

    A family can be a melding of many things, but just as I was railed on by so many... they just aren't "Traditional".
    Even with incest, it's still husband and wife with kids, not brothers.

    Even with poligamy, it's husband and wives with kids, not a big group of men looking for a discount on medical insurence.

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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie1988 View Post
    The news article is OBVIOUSLY a LIE in how it is presented and so BIAS as to have NO VALUE for any opinion. The article states:

    "Frank Gill and his partner rescued two abused brothers, now ages 4 and 8, from a Miami crack house. The foster parents provided a loving home that healed physical and emotional damage."

    To take that as literally true, Gill and his partner are a licensed MD doctor and PhD child psychologist, who burst into a crack house on their own - kidnapping the two children. Then, from their home, the gay doctor performed surgeries and medical procedures while the gay child psychologist successful fully solved the children's psychological issues.

    HOW ABSURD. Who "rescued" the children would have been the state/CPS and the evaluation of the foster parents is unsubstantiated in anyway and a declaration by an obviously grossly bias author.

    I OPPOSE gay foster parents primarily because I don't want child stuck in the middle of rabid gay rights politics for which any consideration of placing or removing children with a gay couple would be amidst gay activists screaming that anyone who opposed the placement or supported removal is a homophobic bigot - and - like the article - willing to tell any lie to obtain their goal.

    I support single parents being foster parents.
    The story I posted is a follow-up to the one in the link below. There is more detail below about how the two boys were brought to Gill and Tom.

    You will probably think this story is all lies too. But, to me, proof that this type of thing can happen, that the state of Florida would spend a fortune to prevent good, caring people from adopting, is contained above in the angry, hateful, prejudiced, and paranoid post you wrote.


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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    I think that you are adding too much to it.
    "Traditional Family" simply means a husband and wife with kids, that is all.
    No, that's a "nuclear family", and there's actually nothing traditional about it at all.
    That didn't even become a standard family model until the post-WWII era, which wasn't very long ago.

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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    No, that's a "nuclear family", and there's actually nothing traditional about it at all.
    That didn't even become a standard family model until the post-WWII era, which wasn't very long ago.
    Actually it is the core of what has for millenia been the family in the west. It is simply that it was once more extended and has been progressively worn down by our atomistic, statist society.

    Who needs large kinship groups when big brother will provide all....
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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    Quote Originally Posted by rsixing View Post
    Since...?
    Since gay marriage has been an issue.

    You are trying to continue to argue your position from a position that I find untenable, illogical. Comparing race with sexual orientation is not logical. Maybe I'll never find a point when I can find these two comparable.
    Sorry I thought for a moment you might actually attempt to address the substance of the argument.

    I thought I told you the comparison was between race and gender not race and sexual orientation?

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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    Food For Thought:

    Does the Sexual Orientation of Parents Matter?

    http://www.soc.iastate.edu/soc522a/P...ngs/Stacey.pdf
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    Re: Do you object to gay couples adopting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrein View Post
    Since gay marriage has been an issue.
    IMO this debate has never been about gender but about the rejection of the homosexual lifestyle by society as a whole and the demand by the homosexual community to be accepted by society for their sexual orientation, not their gender. Just as I find that societies rejection of same-sex marriage is based on the same thing, the rejection of the homosexual lifestyle.

    Sorry I thought for a moment you might actually attempt to address the substance of the argument.

    I thought I told you the comparison was between race and gender not race and sexual orientation?
    I am simply being honest with you, that IMO comparing race with sexual orientation is untenable and illogical. It's simply I find no reasonable connect between the two posits. If you find that to be in any way avoidance let me reassure you that is not the case as I have no reason to avoid this discussion with you.
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