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Thread: The Five Stages of Collapse

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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. President View Post
    It will be the object of Liberal derision, the people of "Red State America", who will be best able to cope. They are those who own guns, who know how to hunt, who know how to can food, who know how to use a sewing machine, who have callouses on their hands, and most importantly....faith in God.
    Might be something that happens most in "Red States", on account of they're mostly rural, but the "most Americans" that are going to starve in the event of societal collapse certainly includes "most Republicans"-- especially those living in your so-called "Blue States".

    Even here in Wyoming, I ain't seeing a lot of folk who hunt for their food, who know how to preserve fruits and vegetables-- much less grow them-- and know how to run a sewing machine. The kind of "live off the land" folk you're thinking about are rare as Hell, scattered throughout rural areas in "Red States" and "Blue States" alike, and don't give a damn about mainstream American politics.

    Hell, only reason I'm not growing my own food is that I don't own any land, yet. Well, that and Leslie's probably not going to let me start keeping rabbits without a fight.

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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    When was the last time a yokel who could hunt walked to where deer were? Yeah. Ahahaha. You're a funny guy.
    -That- was me.
    Never mind that what you posted here does nothing to address the validity of his statement.

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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I dunno about that, they didn't have our population to feed or our weapons in the Dark Ages... I expect the fall of America would result in (while not ages) darker times than this planet has seen.

    Everything that has a beginning has an end, all empires fall. But the inevitability of this should not discourage a people from trying to prevent it anyways.
    Yes but the end result of Empires falling varies widely. England survives...their "Empire" is gone. Anyone ever met a "Hittite"?

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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Onion Eater View Post
    In a previous post, Michael Roller - Prophet of Doom, I pilloried Mr. Roller for his scare talk of economic collapse.


    Wow, I'll have to call Mike and tell him he's famous over here. Perhaps he'll join up!

    Also, if you think Wiki is a good source for information, guess again.
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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    Will the U.S. fail? This seems to be a question I have heard again and again. I say no. Why? Because were Americans. This is more then just some title to a people who live in an area of the world, its an ideal. It's an ideal of Freedom, equality, and an ideal of self reliance. When something is wrong we fix it, not wait on some one else to come help us, the way the rest of the world seems to look to the U.S. to help them. The U.S. will not fail because we will not let it fail. The U.S. government can be destroyed, our land can be taken away, but we will never stop being "Americans"


    IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
    The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
    when in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security
    Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    We've been a shell of our former selves for a long time, we stopped actually producing anything years ago, we just consume, consume, consume. Now we're finding out that consuming without producing is a very bad idea.
    We produce weapons, and pretty expensive ones too.
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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by kamino View Post
    Will the U.S. fail? This seems to be a question I have heard again and again. I say no. Why? Because were Americans. This is more then just some title to a people who live in an area of the world, its an ideal. It's an ideal of Freedom, equality, and an ideal of self reliance. When something is wrong we fix it, not wait on some one else to come help us, the way the rest of the world seems to look to the U.S. to help them. The U.S. will not fail because we will not let it fail. The U.S. government can be destroyed, our land can be taken away, but we will never stop being "Americans"
    You are somewhat correct about the American Spirit...it is alive and well...and yet Americans did vote this election for more dependence on Government.

    No one said that America will fail...only that its economic and social system is teetering on collapse. This may in the long run lead to the strengthening of the values you speak of...self-reliance. There will be a lot of pain before it works its way out. And a lot of lazy, fat, government reliant people will be the ones suffering most.

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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It all depends on what you mean by "collapse", I suppose. Of course America will collapse, every society eventually does. Even Rome fell apart and people thought that would last forever. There's no doubt that given enough time, America will go the way of the dodo, just like everything else.

    However, I don't think that will happen in the near future. America may very well become less important in the world economy, we may lose most of our influence and economic strength (wait, we have any economic strength left?), but we'll still be here, in some form or another, for quite some time to come.
    To answer your question, yes America has tremendous economic strength.

    The thing that keeps it that way is a faith in free markets, and not too much Government intrusion in them and our strong abidance and faith in our private property right laws.

    The thing that keeps South American countries, African Nations, Russia and China third "worldish" is the failure of their societies to have strong laws protecting individual property rights and consistent enforcement of their laws along with stable Governance through FREE and fair elections.

    Capital finds its way to America because there is faith that it will be safe. If we ever change what has gotten us here, then yes, be very afraid.

    It is truly in the interest of the rest of the world to ensure the integrity of the American market; for as we go, they shall all go.

    As to the thread authors premise that the collapse will be preceded by our total consumption of oil, there are authorities, particularly in the Middle East who are developing ways to extract oil from desert wastelands, that we are going to be flush with oil for centuries even with increased consumption.

    This does not mean we should be complacent; my argument is that it does not forebode any near term collapse based on our need and consumption of oil. It still takes 435,000 gallons of fuel to fly a Boeing 747-400 from Los Angeles to Hong Kong and until an alternative is found to fly these behemoths, we will need to continue finding ways to extract oil from the earth.

    The thread authors comparison of American with the collapse of the Soviet Union are farcical; the Soviet Union collapsed as a direct result of the failure of a central controlled Communist Government to provide for the needs of it's citizens and spending ever increasing amounts of their GDP on defense to keep up with the US.

    We do not have the same problems; unless we get a Chavez like leader that sheeple would follow over the precipice of total Socialism.

    That's my worth.

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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. President View Post
    You are somewhat correct about the American Spirit...it is alive and well...and yet Americans did vote this election for more dependence on Government.

    No one said that America will fail...only that its economic and social system is teetering on collapse. This may in the long run lead to the strengthening of the values you speak of...self-reliance. There will be a lot of pain before it works its way out. And a lot of lazy, fat, government reliant people will be the ones suffering most.
    American voters sway back and forth every decade or so; they need the constant reminder of why we do not want to be like Canada, Europe or the rest of the world.

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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    unless we get a Chavez like leader that sheeple would follow over the precipice of total Socialism.

    That's my worth.
    Um, haven't you heard? That's what we're getting. shhh...don't tell anybody.

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