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Thread: The Five Stages of Collapse

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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yeah....Y2K was pretty funny for everybody who knew all those 0s weren't going to do anything.
    I didn't think it was too funny.
    We didn't have internet or television then; we were basically savages.
    We heard rumors about infrastructure collapse and widespread rioting in the streets. We stocked up on bottled water, barricaded the door, and slept with a bunch of knives and wooden sticks to fend off potential marauders.
    Fortunately, it didn't come to that.

    Having the internet has really turned us into much more reasonable and civilized people.

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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by quatrotritikali View Post
    Well, according to the latest predictions by end-of-the-world conspiracy nuts, mankind is marked for death come May of 2012 (according to the Mayan calendar).

    Sounds a bit like a repeat, sort of, of Y2K. I see the coming date as a great reason to have a party...whether anything apocalyptic happens or not.
    I dont think anyone actually believed the world was going under in Y2K.. Looking at the world of today there is a much greater chance of it falling apart now than the chance was in for example the 90s.
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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    I voted don't know, but last night actually stayed in one of the Extended Stay facilities, and not a Holiday Inn. The Holiday Inn Express is pretty good, but I don't think the company has direct billing worked out with them. Anyway, nothing collapsed - the place seems very stable, physically.

    My birthday is coming up next week. You don't think things will collapse before I get my present, do you? If you do, I want it early.

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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    In a previous post, Michael Roller - Prophet of Doom, I pilloried Mr. Roller for his scare talk of economic collapse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Onion Eater View Post
    As a matter of policy, I never make predictions, either good or bad. The very first words in my Simplified Exposition of Axiomatic Economics are, "I have written a book entitled Axiomatic Theory of Economics. This book is about a new economic theory. It is not a simplified version of mainstream economics. It does not predict the future, calling neither prosperity or ruin in America."

    The purpose of this post was not to downplay the risks we face - which are very real - but to quell the knee-jerk pessimism of people like Roller who see gloom and doom in every news article. That attitude is really not very helpful.
    However, I can see that Mr. Orlov is a far more thoughtful person than Mr. Roller and I will read his articles with interest. (Also, Mr. Orlov has a background in engineering, which I, as a mathematician, can appreciate.) The concept of economic collapse should not be taboo any more than it should be the knee-jerk reaction of depressed people like Roller who are just trying to depress us all.

    I will comment on Orlov's ideas later, when I have had more time to digest them. In the meantime, I would like to welcome "Mr. President" to our forum.
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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    It all depends on what you mean by "collapse", I suppose. Of course America will collapse, every society eventually does. Even Rome fell apart and people thought that would last forever. There's no doubt that given enough time, America will go the way of the dodo, just like everything else.

    However, I don't think that will happen in the near future. America may very well become less important in the world economy, we may lose most of our influence and economic strength (wait, we have any economic strength left?), but we'll still be here, in some form or another, for quite some time to come.
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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It all depends on what you mean by "collapse", I suppose. Of course America will collapse, every society eventually does. Even Rome fell apart and people thought that would last forever. There's no doubt that given enough time, America will go the way of the dodo, just like everything else.

    However, I don't think that will happen in the near future. America may very well become less important in the world economy, we may lose most of our influence and economic strength (wait, we have any economic strength left?), but we'll still be here, in some form or another, for quite some time to come.
    That's pretty much what I think, too.

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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Onion Eater View Post
    I will comment on Orlov's ideas later, when I have had more time to digest them. In the meantime, I would like to welcome "Mr. President" to our forum.
    Thanks Onion...I don't like to think I am a reactionary...and that is why when I read Mr.Orlov's article, I thought it was thoughtful and well written.

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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It all depends on what you mean by "collapse", I suppose. Of course America will collapse, every society eventually does. Even Rome fell apart and people thought that would last forever. There's no doubt that given enough time, America will go the way of the dodo, just like everything else.

    However, I don't think that will happen in the near future. America may very well become less important in the world economy, we may lose most of our influence and economic strength (wait, we have any economic strength left?), but we'll still be here, in some form or another, for quite some time to come.
    I agree, but there is a big difference between "The Great Depression" and any recession that followed. I think our course will take us to greater depths than the Great Depression. Will America survive? Of course...but I'm afraid it will be a shell of its former self.

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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Should America collapse...
    Welcome to the New Dark Ages.
    I dunno about that, they didn't have our population to feed or our weapons in the Dark Ages... I expect the fall of America would result in (while not ages) darker times than this planet has seen.

    Everything that has a beginning has an end, all empires fall. But the inevitability of this should not discourage a people from trying to prevent it anyways.
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    Re: The Five Stages of Collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. President View Post
    I agree, but there is a big difference between "The Great Depression" and any recession that followed. I think our course will take us to greater depths than the Great Depression. Will America survive? Of course...but I'm afraid it will be a shell of its former self.
    We've been a shell of our former selves for a long time, we stopped actually producing anything years ago, we just consume, consume, consume. Now we're finding out that consuming without producing is a very bad idea.
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