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    Re: Where does racism come from?

    Probably has already been said: but upbringing, fear, ignorance and hate are the major core issues that brings about racism..

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    Re: Where does racism come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Racism is just one of a plethora of ways humans have divided themselves into groupings. Its just based on a physical aspect, that has no qualifying reasoning behind it. But people "reason" themselves into all sorts of little social cliques, decrying all the others as wrong/inferior etc...
    Disagree. If it was as simple as humans grouping themselves over physical aspects than how do you explain that some people really do love all groups of peoples that do not fit into the same groups as them?

    I will say that some could stem from the nature of the beast and mans desires to be top dog and there is a major problem with the white males always wishing to be on top of our human food chain and sadly? They are still winning.

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    Re: Where does racism come from?

    [QUOTE=LaMidRighter;1057848821]
    An ethnic group is a group of human beings whose members identify with each other, usually on a presumed or real common heritage.[1][2] Ethnic identity is further marked by the recognition from others of a group's distinctiveness[3] and the recognition of common cultural, linguistic, religious, behavioral or biological traits,[1][4] real or presumed, as indicators of contrast to other groups.[5]

    Ethnicity is an important means through which people can identify themselves. According to "Challenges of Measuring an Ethnic World: Science, politics, and reality", a conference organized by Statistics Canada and the United States Census Bureau (April 1-3, 1992), "Ethnicity is a fundamental factor in human life: it is a phenomenon inherent in human experience."[6]
    And as it says they're social phenomenon, they get redefined and exists regardless of blood relationships.

    Yes, they change because of the nature of reproduction and genetic inheritance itself, that gets complicated and involves centuries of ancestory, but it doesn't disprove that different people have different traits, some are more prominent among various ethnicities(race)
    When we look at traits like skin color we notice that Egyptians have lighter skin than the Dinka. Do they belong to the same race? When does skin become light enough to be considered white?
    Not when they are predominant traits
    The predominant skin color, nasal index, hair type etc. change between tribe to tribe. How do we justifiably group certain groups who skin color, hair type etc. varies together? What's the cut-off point for white skin and why is it that point? And why do we go by the predominant trait of skin color and hair type? Why not antimalarial and lactase genes which are arguably more important?


    That would be like saying a Sheppard is a Collie is Retriever, they are all dogs, they can all breed together, but they aren't all the same now are they? But may not share the same traits.
    Dogs break up into distinct groups because the traits aren't clinal, in humans they are.

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    Re: Where does racism come from?

    [QUOTE][QUOTE=Frank Talk;1057849172]
    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post

    And as it says they're social phenomenon, they get redefined and exists regardless of blood relationships.
    True, I am not arguing that things change, simply that there are differences and that it isn't good or bad, just is.



    When we look at traits like skin color we notice that Egyptians have lighter skin than the Dinka. Do they belong to the same race? When does skin become light enough to be considered white?
    Dunno to be honest, I just go by traditional definitions for two reasons 1) It's generally easier to converse with others as they all have historical connotations and are understood and 2) it infuriates people in the political correctness movement.


    The predominant skin color, nasal index, hair type etc. change between tribe to tribe. How do we justifiably group certain groups who skin color, hair type etc. varies together?
    If it is used as a means to segregate there is no justification, but if it used when an efficient description is necessary, such as to group risk class in medicine, or for scientific study on a group specific trait it could be easily justified IMO.
    What's the cut-off point for white skin and why is it that point?
    I really believe the standard definitions are the cut-off.
    And why do we go by the predominant trait of skin color and hair type? Why not antimalarial and lactase genes which are arguably more important?
    This is actually a good point, I don't know really, but one could make a case for it I suppose.




    Dogs break up into distinct groups because the traits aren't clinal, in humans they are.
    Fair enough.
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    Re: Where does racism come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    IMO if someone takes your insult about the character of an individual, and makes some kind of non-sequitur connection between that insult (that makes no racial reference whatsoever) and some kind of insult regarding that individual's racial group.... IMO the person making the non-sequitur leap is racist in a sense.

    Not in a hateful sense against the group they'd have thought they were defending, but by having a knee-jerk reaction at an insult between two people of different races and assuming that any insult for the reasons stated but due to unstated racial bigotry, without reason.

    Simply put: If to you a white person cannot insult a black person without it being a racial issue, YOU have racial issues because sometimes, race just isn't a factor.
    I grew up on the south side of Chicago in the late 1980's and early 1990's. I read so many books and memoirs about slavery and racism, it makes my head hurt. This idea that somehow as a white person born 12 years ago that I need to apologize and repent for the things other white people, WHO MAY NOT EVEN HAVE BEEN MY ANCESTORS, did 200 years ago - makes me angry.

    There was this black girl at my school, and whenever she got in an argument, she would call the person a racist. One day, I asked if she was a racist. I got a 10 day suspension, and my school apologized to her father on my behalf.

    You know how Catholics tell children that they are sinners every day and that they deserve to go to hell? That's kind of like how I feel about being a white person growing up in Chicago in the late 20th century.

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    Re: Where does racism come from?

    You know how Catholics tell children that they are sinners every day and that they deserve to go to hell?
    No, I don't know. Do tell.

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    Re: Where does racism come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    No, I don't know. Do tell.
    You are a sinner, and you deserve to go to hell.

    Also, you are white, and therefor racist and self entitled.

    Jesus hates you. Repent.

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    Re: Where does racism come from?

    The desire to simplify the world into an 'us' and a 'them'.
    The drive to create 'us' and them' understanding is largely an evolved trait that baught survival benifit.

    This manifesting itself in racism is however a learnd trait. That is to say that who we define as the other, and who we define as the us is learnt through socialisation.

    There is no inherant need for this to manifest itself in racism.
    Religious, political, class, language, and many other factors can work the same way.
    Its just that us and them mentality shining through.

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    Re: Where does racism come from?

    I grew up on the south side of Chicago in the late 1980's and early 1990's. I read so many books and memoirs about slavery and racism, it makes my head hurt. This idea that somehow as a white person born 12 years ago that I need to apologize and repent for the things other white people, WHO MAY NOT EVEN HAVE BEEN MY ANCESTORS, did 200 years ago - makes me angry.

    There was this black girl at my school, and whenever she got in an argument, she would call the person a racist. One day, I asked if she was a racist. I got a 10 day suspension, and my school apologized to her father on my behalf.
    Even if you aren't responsible for your ancestors' actions, their actions have created a system whereby you have white (or "nonblack") privilege. So while you didn't create the system, you directly benefit from it.

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    Re: Where does racism come from?

    I learned it at home. My father was just a hairs breadth away from being a full fledged Aryan Nations devotee. He had a burning hatred of Blacks and Jews. Why I really do not know. Out of 6 brothers and sisters he was the only one that thought like that and his mother was a devout Greek Byzantine Catholic who loved everybody. He actually studied and admired Hitler. Which in my later years I found to be rather odd because my family is of Slavic descent and Hitler had no use for our people either. I never developed the hatred my father had but I had the mind set common to uneducated racism.

    The military was the my first real exposure to other non white people. We lived ate and slept together. It did not take long for me to realize there was something seriously wrong with my fathers world view of other people. From there began a long journey of learning about other peoples and cultures. My dad must have spun out of his grave the day I married an Asian woman. He didn't like Asians either

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