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Thread: Firearms - The Primary Problem

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    Re: Firearms - The Primary Problem

    That's a good idea, why DON'T we take a look at UK gun crime? Let's see, in 2002, there were 0.15 gun deaths per 100,000 people. In 2001 in the United States there were 3.98. Or over 25x as many. Doesn't seem to be the same level of problem. Then again, maybe the issue is that the people who own guns in America are more likely to be insane. Such as considering that right akin to freedom of speech.

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    Re: Firearms - The Primary Problem

    That's a good idea, why DON'T we take a look at UK gun crime? Let's see, in 2002, there were 0.15 gun deaths per 100,000 people. In 2001 in the United States there were 3.98. Or over 25x as many. Doesn't seem to be the same level of problem. Then again, maybe the issue is that the people who own guns in America are more likely to be insane. Such as considering that right akin to freedom of speech.
    Why don't we take a look at gun crime in Chicago? Highest murder rate in America with quite possibly the most stringent gun control laws in the country. Nice try.

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    Re: Firearms - The Primary Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Why don't we take a look at gun crime in Chicago? Highest murder rate in America with quite possibly the most stringent gun control laws in the country. Nice try.
    Causation and correlation?

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    Re: Firearms - The Primary Problem

    Causation and correlation?
    The same thing (Causation and correlation?) could be said of your argument.

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    Re: Firearms - The Primary Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Neither, I do not see firearms as a problem. What I have a problem with is the chicken **** little pussies who want to severely restrict and or deny me my 2nd amendment rights. Sometimes a bat,pen,pencil,knife,sword or anything else that can be used as a weapon is not as efficient as a gun when it comes to stopping a criminal,especially if their is more than one criminal or the criminal has a gun(who buy the way doesn't give a **** about obeying the law so no anti-2nd law on the planet is going to stop him from getting a firearm).Law enforcement can not prevent a lot of crimes,after all they are no psychic. Besides the government has nothing to fear from a population that is not adequately armed or a population that is unarmed.
    The more I study this issue I still come to the inescapable conclusion that firearms are a problem. In that I mean those who should not possess them gain access to them and possess them illegally and then, in turn, use them in the commission of crimes, mayhem and murder.

    IMO there seems to be no viable solution to this issue, how to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, et al those determined to be prohibited persons under the GCA. Do you have a solution james?

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    Re: Firearms - The Primary Problem

    IMO there seems to be no viable solution to this issue, how to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, et al those determined to be prohibited persons under the GCA. Do you have a solution james?
    The solution is to reduce crime. How do we go about reducing crime? Reduce poverty and incarceration. How do we go about reducing poverty and incarceration? Education and elimaniting the war on drugs, respectively. At least, that's my opinion.

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    Re: Firearms - The Primary Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The solution is to reduce crime. How do we go about reducing crime? Reduce poverty and incarceration. How do we go about reducing poverty and incarceration? Education and elimaniting the war on drugs, respectively. At least, that's my opinion.
    Then we actually agree on most things. I just consider my side of the solution more comprehensive.

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    Re: Firearms - The Primary Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKC View Post
    Causation and correlation?
    It doesn't matter. The only thing we know for sure is that the gun control laws in Chicago do not prevent murders. The evidence shows that to be true. It maybe caused by any number of things, but what is unequivocably proven is that really strict gun control laws did NOT prevent Chicago from being Murder Capital of the USA.
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    Re: Firearms - The Primary Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The same thing (Causation and correlation?) could be said of your argument.
    What are kentucy fried colonel ignores is that england had almost NO handgun violence before they started banning them and once they banned them their rate of handgun violence went up as did HOME INVASION robberies. White Americans have a lower rate of gun violence than whites in the UK
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    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
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    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    Re: Firearms - The Primary Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by rsixing View Post
    The more I study this issue I still come to the inescapable conclusion that firearms are a problem. In that I mean those who should not possess them gain access to them and possess them illegally and then, in turn, use them in the commission of crimes, mayhem and murder.

    IMO there seems to be no viable solution to this issue, how to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, et al those determined to be prohibited persons under the GCA. Do you have a solution james?

    Well I can tell you what is the worst possible reaction-banning honest people from owning guns.
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    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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