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    Re: Firearms - The Primary Problem

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    Re: Firearms - The Primary Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Where is the disconnect? Is it me?

    It doesn't matter whether the whites live in the ghetto or in the suburbs if they are falling victim to home invasions and gun violence. If the USA whites flee they can still be subject to crimes... so why are the UK whites rates of crime rising faster than those in the USA?
    Because white people in America live in disproportionately economically advantaged neighborhoods, and such areas have less crime. In the UK, this is not NEARLY as prevalent, due to a far more homogeneous society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKC View Post
    Because white people in America live in disproportionately economically advantaged neighborhoods, and such areas have less crime. In the UK, this is not NEARLY as prevalent, due to a far more homogeneous society.
    That is an interesting claim but there are millions of poor whites in America-I live in Ohio and Appalachia is less than an hour or so away. People out there aren't shooting each other at high rates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    That is an interesting claim but there are millions of poor whites in America-I live in Ohio and Appalachia is less than an hour or so away. People out there aren't shooting each other at high rates.
    There may be some validity to his claim. Maybe I'm totally wrong but limited living space and available housing, like in England, does not lend to just moving to somewhere else because you don't like the crime rate.

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    Isn't the very statement "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" a strawman? Honestly, has even the most anti-gun proponents ever said that guns kill people all on their own?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Isn't the very statement "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" a strawman? Honestly, has even the most anti-gun proponents ever said that guns kill people all on their own?
    They claim that having access to guns causes people to kill others-strangely I have never heard of anyone being shot to death at a gun show or at the Grand American Trapshoot where there are several thousand people carrying ultra lethal 12 g shotguns and several millions dollars of them for sale.
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    Re: Firearms - The Primary Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    They claim that having access to guns causes people to kill others-strangely I have never heard of anyone being shot to death at a gun show or at the Grand American Trapshoot where there are several thousand people carrying ultra lethal 12 g shotguns and several millions dollars of them for sale.
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    Re: Firearms - The Primary Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    They claim that having access to guns causes people to kill others-strangely I have never heard of anyone being shot to death at a gun show or at the Grand American Trapshoot where there are several thousand people carrying ultra lethal 12 g shotguns and several millions dollars of them for sale.
    No, we claim that it makes it much easier to kill others. I would prefer that it be quite difficult to kill others personally. A gun allows anybody to do it. At the very least, without guns you'd either need to physically overwhelm me or figure out some way to poison me. That lowers the likelihood of me dying.

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    Re: Firearms - The Primary Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKC View Post
    That's a good idea, why DON'T we take a look at UK gun crime? Let's see, in 2002, there were 0.15 gun deaths per 100,000 people. In 2001 in the United States there were 3.98. Or over 25x as many. Doesn't seem to be the same level of problem. Then again, maybe the issue is that the people who own guns in America are more likely to be insane. Such as considering that right akin to freedom of speech.
    I do believe you just missed the forest by staring at the trees. The UK has the strictest gun regulations for any industrialized nation. Despite this it still has gun related homicides which are also on the rise. Ironically, they're trying to ban knives, machettes, and samurai swords because of the explosion of knife related homicides.

    Love the commercial YouTube - Not a good look(anti-knife campaign)

    So much for your people who own guns in America are more likely to be insane arguement. I can't wait till they ban chainsaws.
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    Re: Firearms - The Primary Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Keorythe View Post
    I do believe you just missed the forest by staring at the trees. The UK has the strictest gun regulations for any industrialized nation. Despite this it still has gun related homicides which are also on the rise. Ironically, they're trying to ban knives, machettes, and samurai swords because of the explosion of knife related homicides.

    Love the commercial YouTube - Not a good look(anti-knife campaign)

    So much for your people who own guns in America are more likely to be insane arguement. I can't wait till they ban chainsaws.
    I fail to see how rising figures for gun homicide in Britain, while remaining exponentially lower than the United States, at all helps your argument.

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