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    Re: Why calling black people 'niggers' is not racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No there is not. Speech is speech. Maybe in places like Canada and other politically correct ****ed up countries they made a so called distinction between the two, but not here in the US.
    Bull. Even in the US, there's a difference seen between, for example "I don't like group X" and "Group X should all be shot". Hate speech is hate speech, whether it's being said in Canada, the US or the damn Moon.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage
    Regardless of the reasons it is hypocritical for one group of people to piss and moan about another group using a word if they themselves use that word regardless of the context of the word being used. If you actually believed that the word was racist not only would you not use it you wouldn't tolerate others using it regardless of their skin color or the context in which they are using the word. The only thing you are doing is defending blatant hypocrisy.
    No, jamesrage, I'm not. I'm saying that if a group of opressed people are trying to rob a hateful word of it's power against them by reclaiming it for themselves, I'm hardly going to tell them they should stop doing so. If it helps them get through the day, fine by me. When I can't even stop people from using a certain word hatefully, it'd be supremely arrogant for me to wander in and try to condemn it's usage amongst the people who've been hurt by it the most. I also find it extremely arrogant and hypocritical that you, as someone who's shown a penchant for racist words himself, would see yourself as qualified to tell groups injured by racism exactly what words they should/should not be using.
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    Re: Why calling black people 'niggers' is not racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    Bull. Even in the US, there's a difference seen between, for example "I don't like group X" and "Group X should all be shot". Hate speech is hate speech, whether it's being said in Canada, the US or the damn Moon.
    The US does not have hate speech laws and if there any it violates the 1st amendment.

    Hate speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    In some jurisdictions, notably the United States, hate speech cannot be directly regulated because of a widespread consensus that suppressing viewpoints based on content alone is outright wrong or leads to a slippery slope (that is, who is to decide what content is a priori true or correct) which ultimately destroys the marketplace of ideas. In particular, the United States government and the state governments are broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech.

    When I can't even stop people from using a certain word hatefully, it'd be supremely arrogant for me to wander in and try to condemn it's usage amongst the people who've been hurt by it the most..
    It has nothing to do with arrogance it has to do with hypocrisy. The it's all right for us to say it and not you is garbage.




    I also find it extremely arrogant and hypocritical that you, as someone who's shown a penchant for racist words himself, would see yourself as qualified to tell groups injured by racism exactly what words they should/should not be using

    Perhaps you should look up a dictionary next time before using a big word.

    hypocrite definition | Dictionary.com
    a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

    The general consensus on the word hypocrite is someone who says one thing and does another.

    I do not believe the word wetback to be racist, nor have I said Americans or immigrants shouldn't use the word when talking about illegals from south of the border. Where have I ever said that the word wetback was racist or that anyone shouldn't use the word wetback or it's spanish equivalents?
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    Re: Why calling black people 'niggers' is not racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Actually, we have. It's called hate speech and hate crime laws.
    We do not have hate speech laws,see my previous post. Thats why Fred Phelps has not been arrested for protesting that God hates fags. Speech is not a crime.

    We even have one right here over DP.
    DP is not the united states. It is a political forum ran operated by what a private citizen dictated.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Why calling black people 'niggers' is not racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The US does not have hate speech laws and if there any it violates the 1st amendment.

    Hate speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    In some jurisdictions, notably the United States, hate speech cannot be directly regulated because of a widespread consensus that suppressing viewpoints based on content alone is outright wrong or leads to a slippery slope (that is, who is to decide what content is a priori true or correct) which ultimately destroys the marketplace of ideas. In particular, the United States government and the state governments are broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech.
    This is mostly true. We do have hate crime laws in the US. We do not have hate speech laws per se, but they could fall under the "fighting words" doctrine which does limit free speech.
    Fighting words - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Also, see Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire for the relevant case law.
    Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This doctrine could be used as precedence for hate speech.


    I do not believe the word wetback to be racist, nor have I said Americans or immigrants shouldn't use the word when talking about illegals from south of the border. Where have I ever said that the word wetback was racist or that anyone shouldn't use the word wetback or it's spanish equivalents?
    Your belief does not alter the word's definition.
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    Re: Why calling black people 'niggers' is not racist.

    This thread is disgusting

    H, I lost my respect for you and am sure you do not care

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    Re: Why calling black people 'niggers' is not racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    This thread is disgusting

    H, I lost my respect for you and am sure you do not care
    Who are you?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Why calling black people 'niggers' is not racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is mostly true. We do have hate crime laws in the US. We do not have hate speech laws per se, but they could fall under the "fighting words" doctrine which does limit free speech.
    Fighting words - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Also, see Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire for the relevant case law.
    Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This doctrine could be used as precedence for hate speech.
    This would probably be used to precedence against hate speech,I don't think those nazis were having a bake sale or anything like that.

    National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    he Illinois Supreme Court sympathized with the Skokie residents, but decided that the swastika could not be banned since war protesters could wear black armbands (Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District).

    Decision of the Court

    The United States Supreme Court let the Illinois decision stand.

    [edit] Effect of the decision

    In the summer of 1978, the Nazis finally held three rallies, but not in Skokie. All were in the Chicago area: Lincolnwood (near Skokie), the downtown Chicago Federal Center, and Marquette Park on the city's Southwest side. It's said that the national attention brought on by the Supreme Court case gave them enough press coverage as to make a Skokie rally redundant.

    Also as a response to the court's decision, Holocaust survivors set up a museum on Main Street to commemorate the people who died in the genocide.

    [edit] Significance

    The Skokie case shows that the First Amendment not only protects the views that most citizens support, but also unpopular beliefs. The First Amendment makes possible what Justice Holmes called "a marketplace of ideas" where all views can be expressed whether they were popular or not.


    Your belief does not alter the word's definition.

    Actually webster dictionary supports my position that it is not a racial slur while the word nigger is.

    wetback - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
    wet·back Listen to the pronunciation of wetback
    Pronunciation:
    \ˈwet-ˌbak\
    Function:
    noun
    Etymology:
    from the practice of wading or swimming the Rio Grande where it forms the U.S.-Mexico border
    Date:
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    usually offensive : a Mexican who enters the United States illegally




    nigger - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
    but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 12-08-08 at 12:45 AM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Why calling black people 'niggers' is not racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Who are you?
    Excuse Me?

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    Re: Why calling black people 'niggers' is not racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    This thread is disgusting

    H, I lost my respect for you and am sure you do not care
    Probably not. Let me check...

    Nope, we still don't care.

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    Re: Why calling black people 'niggers' is not racist.

    Do you think referring to someone as "Negroid" in a discussion of races etc is "racist" - or does lack of recognizing current social correctness make it racist?

    MY BF is Native American, but is not offended by "Indian" and says that is commonly how Native Americans refer to each other.

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