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    Proportional Representation

    Do you think the US would benefit from a proportional representation system rather than or current single member district winner take all format?
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    Re: Proportional Representation

    It would mean that Congressmen wouldn't be accountable to local interests at all-- not to mention, it would mean that all politics would effectively be at the national level. Can't support that... for as little as I care about States' rights, I think the people living in each State need to be assured of having their own lawmakers who are concerned with their interests at the Federal level.

    Not to mention the fact that I don't vote for parties. I vote for candidates, and in a proportional representation system, I would not be able to.

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    Re: Proportional Representation

    Agree. Proportional representation would allow alternative
    parties a chance. Unfortunately, media would still try to
    block those alternatives.

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    Re: Proportional Representation

    Proportional representation is a bad idea. It would basically eliminate all the diversity of opinions in Congress and force each member to tow the party line. The party (rather than the voters) would be responsible for each congressman's seat, so they would answer to the party bosses rather than the people.

    A better solution would be to reform the way that we draw our districts. Right now they're drawn specifically to keep them as uncompetitive as possible. If we fixed that, then something close to proportional representation would naturally result...but without the parties controlling everything.
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    Re: Proportional Representation

    While PR does have its concerns as Kandahar pointed out, the current system effectively allows a candidate to ignore the concerns, desires and voice of everyone who didn't vote for them. That's inherently not democratic.
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    Re: Proportional Representation

    The only way it would be a good idea is if it kept geographical representation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat
    It would mean that Congressmen wouldn't be accountable to local interests at all
    I used to think this but there are transferable vote schemes which still keep geogrpahical representation. I believe Australia and NSW has one.
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    Re: Proportional Representation

    Quote Originally Posted by lawshume View Post
    Agree. Proportional representation would allow alternative parties a chance. Unfortunately, media would still try to block those alternatives.
    There are better ways of allowing third parties to effectively campaign for office without eliminating geographical representation-- and I support those.

    My preference is Condorcet method voting, in which voters rank the candidates in order of preference-- and then the winner is determined by counting the votes as if each candidate pairing was a separate election; the winner is the candidate who would win in a two-way race with every other candidate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I used to think this but there are transferable vote schemes which still keep geographical representation. I believe Australia and NSW has one.
    Problem is, you would still be voting for the party instead of the candidate.
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    Re: Proportional Representation

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Problem is, you would still be voting for the party instead of the candidate.
    I don't think so. I recall there being the candidates names of the ballot. I mean transferable within the constituency. You get to list your preferences and these are counted rather than everyone voting for just one party.

    Often the parties advise their voters to put down another candidate as their second preference.
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    Re: Proportional Representation

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Do you think the US would benefit from a proportional representation system rather than or current single member district winner take all format?
    The US system allows for proportional representation as it stands now.
    Nothing in the system keeps there from being 3 or 4 or even 10 parties represented in Congress.

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    Re: Proportional Representation

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The US system allows for proportional representation as it stands now.
    Nothing in the system keeps there from being 3 or 4 or even 10 parties represented in Congress.
    Incorrect:

    Gerrymandering.
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