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How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

  • It wont

    Votes: 36 85.7%

  • It'll make me want to divorce my partner

    Votes: 6 14.3%
  • Total voters
    42
dragonslayer said:
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my goal has always been to live with 5 lovely beautiful rich ladies, and have them support me in a great fashion.
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If you are going to have a fantasy life that is completely unachieveable, it might as well be a good one...:2razz:
 
Cephus said:
Of course, the state isn't interfering in church business, the modern institution of marriage is a purely secular, legal institution that has nothing whatsoever to do with religion. Certainly some religious people would like to celebrate their legal marriage with religious ceremonies, but that doesn't make marriage religious, only the ceremonies.

You can walk down all the aisles in all the churches you want, you're not married until you get that piece of paper from the state.
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Then if marriage is nothing but a "purely secular, legal institution" as you are claiming and the state controls this "purely secular, legal institution" it would seem to me it would be easy for this "state" to change the laws. No. Methinks your explanation is trying to oversimplify what is a very deep, moral issue that the state has no business legislating and brushing this facet of the issue aside only causes more divisiveness.
 
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What's all this talk about churches, etc, when the OP doesn't address any specific argument? Anti-gm folks are claiming that gay marriage will directly harm their personal marriage? Ok, who's saying this? What exactly did they say? Please give a link so we can verify that you’re not simply taking an extreme example of the fringe and presenting it as a representative opinion of the main anti-gm argument.
 
Jerry said:
Anti-gm folks are claiming that gay marriage will directly harm their personal marriage?
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Who said this? I asked if those who oppose gay marriage believe it will affect their marriage.

Ok, who's saying this? What exactly did they say? Please give a link so we can verify that you’re not simply taking an extreme example of the fringe and presenting it as a representative opinion of the main anti-gm argument.
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How can I give an example for a straw man you created?
 
So for over 2000 years, everyone was wrong.
 
Hatuey said:
Who said this? I asked if those who oppose gay marriage believe it will affect their marriage.

How can I give an example for a straw man you created?
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If no one is claiming that gay marriage will harm their own personal marriage, why ask?
 
Jerry said:
If no one is claiming that gay marriage will harm their own personal marriage, why ask?
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Isn't 'your marriage' part of the 'institution of marriage'? Or will you play the Vice President isn't part of the Executive branch card?
 
rsixing said:
Then if marriage is nothing but a "purely secular, legal institution" as you are claiming and the state controls this "purely secular, legal institution" it would seem to me it would be easy for this "state" to change the laws.
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In fact, it's happened quite often. The California courts found earlier this year that denying gay marriage is a violation of the state constitution. Florida recently did the same thing. Both of them changed the laws, just this year.

Just because there are a lot of hate-mongering religious asshats out there trying to change it back doesn't change the facts.
 
Jerry said:
So you agree that gay marriage can in fact affect other marriages?
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No, only that you think it can. You're wrong, but you're welcome to your delusions.
 
Tucker Case said:
The geocentric theory of the solar system vs. the Heliocentric theory pretty much shows that is entirely possible.
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You forgot the KayleighKatzocentric theory of the solar system. :mrgreen:
 
Wessexman said:
Well if would not effect me but theoretically they could believe it cheapens the holy union of marriage and not want to be associated with state sanctioned marriage.
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So let them get divorced, if their need for a tantrum is that strong.
 
Doc Howl said:
Yep. Not for the first time, either.
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(¶ 136) You see, Sir, that in this enlightened age I am bold enough to confess that we are generally men of untaught feelings, that, instead of casting away all our old prejudices, we cherish them to a very considerable degree, and, to take more shame to ourselves, we cherish them because they are prejudices; and the longer they have lasted and the more generally they have prevailed, the more we cherish them. We are afraid to put men to live and trade each on his own private stock of reason, because we suspect that this stock in each man is small, and that the individuals would do better to avail themselves of the general bank and capital of nations and of ages. Many of our men of speculation, instead of exploding general prejudices, employ their sagacity to discover the latent wisdom which prevails in them. If they find what they seek, and they seldom fail, they think it more wise to continue the prejudice, with the reason involved, than to cast away the coat of prejudice and to leave nothing but the naked reason; because prejudice, with its reason, has a motive to give action to that reason, and an affection which will give it permanence. Prejudice is of ready application in the emergency; it previously engages the mind in a steady course of wisdom and virtue and does not leave the man hesitating in the moment of decision sceptical, puzzled, and unresolved. Prejudice renders a man's virtue his habit, and not a series of unconnected acts. Through just prejudice, his duty becomes a part of his nature.
Edmund Burke.

Forgive me if I do not share your confidence in your reason or your wish to rip apart society on your own trivial scheming.
 
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Wessexman said:
Forgive me if I do not share your confidence in your reason or your wish to rip apart society on your own trivial scheming.
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Once again you dodge the argument you can't refute (equal protection of law), with another irrelevant quote.

You pseudo-intellectuals are funny. :lol:
 
I find the topic of this question amazingly contradictory given some of the posters here and their views on other boards.

I'm not married, but on a larger level question it is "how would gay marriage affect my life?"

I don't see that as the question at all! And contradiction is that on other boards they rage about abortion rights, when whether someone else gets an abortion or not doesn't affect their lives, family or children at all. So its pick a cause to crusade for.

In this, I then see the question as the exact opposite. "How would gay marriages positively affect my life?" If they won't, give me any reason to support gay marriage?

I should support gay marriages because gays have a grievance? Why should I care? SERIOUSLY, why should I care? I can name dozens of greater injustices is this country alone that gay marriage and some of those do affect me.

Gays WANT something from me - they WANT my vote. WHY, what's in it for me, to do so? What is in it for any non-gay to do so -unless some day they come to realize that really - after all - they never were attracted to all those of the opposite sex they had sex (and children) with because actually their dna tells them they don't have any attraction at all to the opposite sex.

Since I am very confident I am not confused that I enjoy heterosexual sex, give me any, any reason for my sake to give you what gays want from me? It is the person wanting the change with the burden.
 
Doc Howl said:
Once again you dodge the argument you can't refute (equal protection of law), with another irrelevant quote.

You pseudo-intellectuals are funny. :lol:
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Who said I disagree with equal protection under the law? I'm not arguing against gay marriage, I'm arguing against your view of society, your route to implement your chosen social policy, your extreme rationalism and your extreme universalism and egalitarianism.

Again you dodge the argument you can't refute(the danger of trusting gov't to unaccountable centralised elites.) and come back with another irrelevant quote. Why should I trust my life and society to the judgement of you and a few judicial dictators in making law and social policy? Abitrary power is to be fought. I repeat I support gay marriage, I just object to the dangerous tactics and arguments that some liberals are willing to use.

You pseudo-intellectuals are funny.:rofl
 
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How it could affect marriage?

A man (opposite gender analogy also could work) could find the burdens of family life heavy and announce:

Hey! I just realized down at the gay bar where I was partying without a care in the world, that my dna says that really I never wanted or enjoyed sex with any of those women before marriage, certainly never wanted sex with my wife because actually I'm sexually replused by women sexually, so I just have to divorce, marry Butch, and go to court for custody of my children declaring the judge a homophobic bigot if he won't give them to me just because I'm gay.

That could be an example of harming a marriage. "Gayness" is a vastly convenient excuse to abandon all parental and relationship responsibilities already established when that life is being replaced with a live on the "high-moral-level" or morality measured in obtaining sex-pleasure. And then having the pre-set excuse of being helplessly gay but confused on sexual orientation - raging at anyone criticizing the abandonment as being homophobic bigots.

Another prospect is it doubles the number of people that might take away my spouse and father of my children (theoretical - I'm not married) to take my husband for himself. Thus, it could be argued that gay marriage exactly doubles the chance of a divorce.
 
Bonnie1988 said:
How it could affect marriage?

A man (opposite gender analogy also could work) could find the burdens of family life heavy and announce:

Hey! I just realized down at the gay bar where I was partying without a care in the world, that my dna says that really I never wanted or enjoyed sex with any of those women before marriage, certainly never wanted sex with my wife because actually I'm sexually replused by women sexually, so I just have to divorce, marry Butch, and go to court for custody of my children declaring the judge a homophobic bigot if he won't give them to me just because I'm gay.

That could be an example of harming a marriage. "Gayness" is a vastly convenient excuse to abandon all parental and relationship responsibilities already established when that life is being replaced with a live on the "high-moral-level" or morality measured in obtaining sex-pleasure. And then having the pre-set excuse of being helplessly gay but confused on sexual orientation - raging at anyone criticizing the abandonment as being homophobic bigots.

Another prospect is it doubles the number of people that might take away my spouse and father of my children (theoretical - I'm not married) to take my husband for himself. Thus, it could be argued that gay marriage exactly doubles the chance of a divorce.
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That's... a pretty strange philosophy, Bonnie.
And if you're an actual feminist- as in, belonging to feminist organizations such as NOW and NARAL- then I'm sure you're aware that we have a somewhat symbiotic relationship with gays and their organizations. Gays have done a lot to help advance women's rights, and we owe it to them to help advance their causes.
 
Jerry said:
If no one is claiming that gay marriage will harm their own personal marriage, why ask?
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Well, if harming the 'institution of marriage' won't have any consequences, then why not allow gay marriage?
 
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