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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, my statement is accurate. Promoting child rearing is the purpose. However, the government cannot predict whether children will or will not be a result of the union. There are also other purposes, however, for the parameters of this discussion, child rearing is the key one.
    Yes that is one of the biggest purposes of marriage as well as its place at the core of the family an important intermediate association between the state and the individual.

    However as I said one must try and avoid naked functionalism. The ideological and tradition ideas behind marriage are very important because men do not live by function alone as important as it is. We must take care to preserve the fabric of ideational factors that partly make up marriage in our society as well as the functional ones and therefore change it cautiously and with the maximum amount of continuity with the old beliefs.
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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Yes that is one of the biggest purposes of marriage as well as its place at the core of the family an important intermediate association between the state and the individual.

    However as I said one must try and avoid naked functionalism. The ideological and tradition ideas behind marriage are very important because men do not live by function alone as important as it is. We must take care to preserve the fabric of ideational factors that partly make up marriage in our society as well as the functional ones and therefore change it cautiously and with the maximum amount of continuity with the old beliefs.
    How does gay marriage cause anything negative with someones straight marriage? How does that inhibit it at all?

    I'd really like you to explicitly explain what will go wrong if we were to allow gays to marry (which they already can do whether the state recognises it or not)

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I'm not opposed to homosexual couples getting married. In fact, I encourage it, especially if they're planning on raising children.
    Then you have no problem with gay marriage? Then what are you arguing about?
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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, my statement is accurate. Promoting child rearing is the purpose. However, the government cannot predict whether children will or will not be a result of the union. There are also other purposes, however, for the parameters of this discussion, child rearing is the key one.
    Why is that? The government can certainly be positive that women past child-rearing age, infertile couples, or those who adamantly do not want children will never have them, yet they issue licenses anyhow. In fact, nowhere on any of the paperwork for a marriage license are intending to have children mentioned as a prerequisite for getting married.

    So how do you support your claim or are you just making it up?
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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then you have no problem with gay marriage? Then what are you arguing about?
    I'm arguing against the notion that the institution of marriage is trivial, and that changing the institution of marriage is a trivial decision that should be undergone on the basis of such execrably stupid ideas as "the State has no business deciding who can get married and who can't" and "marriage is a civil right".

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Why is that? The government can certainly be positive that women past child-rearing age, infertile couples, or those who adamantly do not want children will never have them, yet they issue licenses anyhow. In fact, nowhere on any of the paperwork for a marriage license are intending to have children mentioned as a prerequisite for getting married.

    So how do you support your claim or are you just making it up?
    Not to mention that child rearing doesn't require a marriage license. Far from it.

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Why is that? The government can certainly be positive that women past child-rearing age, infertile couples, or those who adamantly do not want children will never have them, yet they issue licenses anyhow. In fact, nowhere on any of the paperwork for a marriage license are intending to have children mentioned as a prerequisite for getting married.

    So how do you support your claim or are you just making it up?
    Firstly, this is not made up, it is one of the purposes that government supports and encourages marriage. Secondly, you are still missing the point. I am not saying that this is the only reason government encourages marriage, nor am I saying that those who do not have children should not get married, or the government would prevent them from getting married. You are getting defensive for nothing. I am discussing the child-rearing position in the context of this discussion.
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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Firstly, this is not made up, it is one of the purposes that government supports and encourages marriage. Secondly, you are still missing the point. I am not saying that this is the only reason government encourages marriage, nor am I saying that those who do not have children should not get married, or the government would prevent them from getting married. You are getting defensive for nothing. I am discussing the child-rearing position in the context of this discussion.
    Back in the 18th century the US government got involved in marriage to come with some kind of census as to how many people were living here.

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrein View Post
    How does gay marriage cause anything negative with someones straight marriage? How does that inhibit it at all?

    I'd really like you to explicitly explain what will go wrong if we were to allow gays to marry (which they already can do whether the state recognises it or not)
    I wasn't suggesting that, I support gay marriage cautiously.

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Why is that? The government can certainly be positive that women past child-rearing age, infertile couples, or those who adamantly do not want children will never have them, yet they issue licenses anyhow. In fact, nowhere on any of the paperwork for a marriage license are intending to have children mentioned as a prerequisite for getting married.

    So how do you support your claim or are you just making it up?
    That is because institutions often have ideational factors beyond its function for society and these can be very important. Marriage helps to create children and to create the core of the important institution of the family but this kind of talk is not why the individual gets married, he does it mostly due to its ideational place within society as the cementment of love, union before god etc etc.
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