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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Like Transexuality and Gender Identity Disorder, born-homosexuality is a biological error. Race is not. Therefore gay marriage and interracial marriage are not comparable even if gays ever did suffer though anything even remotely close to Black slavery.

    Gay marriage = interracial marriage is fantastic hyperbole at best.
    Prove that if one is born homosexual it is a biological error,
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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    1 of the 2 core purposes of marriage is to promote procreation if healthy children. Gays, hemophiliacs and familial couples cannot do this.
    This not completely accurate. The purpose of marriage, from a governmental standpoint, is to promote the healthy rearing of children. Procreation is not a necessity to this.
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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    My soon to be step son would disagree with you.
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    My father, stepmother and 2 sisters would disagree with your soon to be step son.
    And what this proves is what I often say: absolutes tend to fail. There are plenty of those whose step-parents reared them better than their biological parents would have; the converse is, also, true in many circumstances.
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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    As our founding fathers feared, we are too stupid to self govern, and this democracy is leading back into slavery as all democracies have.
    I agree completely with this, but am often accused of being a fascist when I say it. John Adams was of this mindset. He felt that the common man was far to stupid to govern. I have yet to see him proven incorrect.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonslayer View Post
    Gosh I have divorced and married 6 times. Was it all because I met that gay lady in paris in 1965.

    I was told that it was because of a gay man, that WW2 started in 1939.

    I was once accosted verbally by a gay man, but I was more interested in his wife to care what he wanted. She was a Hot Fox.

    my goal has always been to live with 5 lovely beautiful rich ladies, and have them support me in a great fashion.
    We Americans have a modern history of Divorce and marriage break down. what has this to do with gaye marriage? Heck most of the people that I meet at the Senior Center, have been married and divorced several times. They have children by more than one spouce.

    So please explain to me what this has to do with Gays getting married.

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I agree completely with this, but am often accused of being a fascist when I say it. John Adams was of this mindset. He felt that the common man was far to stupid to govern. I have yet to see him proven incorrect.
    the common man doesn't govern, we have a representative democracy
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This is a different question.

    You originally asked why it happened, and to that I have no conclusive answer.

    As to why I think born-homosexuality is a biological error:
    Jerry, I read the study you posted. I discusses biological DIFFERENCES, not errors. This is a significant semantical variation.

    If we were to look at gay marriage in a vacuum, I wouldn't really care about it.

    It doesn't exist in a vacuum, though, and the modern pro-gm argument removes the procreation of healthy children from the purpose of marriage, and it is this which harms the sociological institution of marriage.
    Procreation is not a necessity to good parenting. Two-parent households of any gender combination promote children of equivalent health and functioning level.



    The government's vested interest in marriage is promoting couples raising children.
    Yup.

    Any couple not raising children is of no concern to the state.

    This rules out the majority of gay couples.

    Of the gay and strate couples raising children, the state has a vested interest in the health and safety of those children. This means the state has no interest, in fact has grounds to oppose, familial unions and second marriages with small children. Reasonable opposition to the step-parent dynamic rules out the majority of gay couples with pre-existing children.
    In bold is where you veer off course. The state has a vested interest in supporting couples raising children. Biological, step and other non biological couples raising children fulfill this, as these children, overall, function on the same level, and, overall, do better than children raised in single parent or other non-two parent familial situations. Gay couples raising children, produce kids that are as healthy as those from straights. So, in this part of the argument, promoting gay unions is in the government's interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    the common man doesn't govern, we have a representative democracy
    The common man chooses the representatives who govern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    yeah but that's a critical degree of separation
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Prove that if one is born homosexual it is a biological error,
    I've already given a sample of supporting evidence in post 192, and while I may be willing to give additional examples, I have no interest in trying to conclusively prove beyond a reasonable doubt my position in this light weight thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This not completely accurate. The purpose of marriage, from a governmental standpoint, is to promote the healthy rearing of children. Procreation is not a necessity to this.
    Here it seems you are trying to further compartmentalize the various functions of marriage. Both Loving and Skinner refer to marriage as critical to human survival, and in context they were not merely referring to children being raised, but consieved in marriage.

    It is a package deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Jerry, I read the study you posted. I discusses biological DIFFERENCES, not errors. This is a significant semantical variation.
    I never claimed that the study identified errors.

    I said that I interpreted the differences illustrated in the study as errors, ie; my opinion.

    I hope you can see the difference there.



    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Procreation is not a necessity to good parenting. Two-parent households of any gender combination promote children of equivalent health and functioning level.
    This does not address any point of my argument.


    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    In bold is where you veer off course. The state has a vested interest in supporting couples raising children. Biological, step and other non biological couples raising children fulfill this, as these children, overall, function on the same level, and, overall, do better than children raised in single parent or other non-two parent familial situations. Gay couples raising children, produce kids that are as healthy as those from straights. So, in this part of the argument, promoting gay unions is in the government's interest.
    The typical child raised by gays being equal too children coming from the 50%+ dysfunctional hetero homes is hardly a convincing argument, even if simply raising children were the only element composing a marriage, since the 50%+ dysfunctional homes are another problem. All your saying here is that gay marriage would perpetuate existing dysfunctions. Your point here is at best benign.

    As I said, which you chose to ignore before and will thus likely choose to ignore again here: raising children is a part of the deal, only a part, and does not-in-and-of-itself justify allowing a given marriage lest we also allow incest and polygamy.

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    This entire exchange miss-assumes that the gay marriage movement is based on what is best for children and families.

    This is of course not the case, as the pro-gm argument is about legitimizing the gay identity in the public eye. Sex and sexuality is the priority issue, financial benefits second. Children and family take a very distant 3rd place when they're even considered at all.

    If the main pro-gm argument were about children and families first, with all else barely mentioned and considered incidental, I would be far more likely to support gay marriage.
    Last edited by Jerry; 12-05-08 at 06:39 AM.

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