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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Yet they can't marry... Which makes them unequal to heterosexual couples. Go figure.
    Oh come on, you know she's going to say "sure they can, they just can't marry who they want to marry!"

    Yes, it is that stupid, but it's something she keeps spouting.
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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    not even one of the most liberal and progressive states out of fifty?
    Wait a minute. Since I live in California, I'd like to weigh in here. First, I'm ashamed that my fellow voters fell for the hurricane of expensive fear-mongering that was the pro-prop 8 propaganda machine. Pro-8 forces repeatedly warned that if prop 8 failed, teachers would be forced to incorporate lessons on the homosexual lifestyle... even in kindergarten!

    Blatantly false, every damned word. Unfortunately, there apparently aren't any laws about lying in election ads. THAT's why the damned proposition won, because people were confused and horrified that their 5 year olds would be indoctrinated into a homosexual lifestyle if they didn't vote yes on this horrible amendment.

    There's a reason the USA is a democratic republic and not a pure democracy. It's so that individual states cannot legislate away fundamental, constitutional rights of anyone, including minorities. In my view, this is exactly what we have done here in California... legislated away basic, constitutionally protected rights. Unfortunately, until the SCOTUS actually rules that homosexuals are people too, they will continue to be the last group to be legally subjected to institutional discrimination.

    It's a travesty. And as far as I'm concerned, it's a crime.

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrein View Post
    Race isn't a choice but intraracial or interracial marriage IS.

    If you were to define marriage between two people of the same color, you'd still follow your logic of equallity, since ALL people can marry someone of the same skin...EQUALLY. Right?

    Your confounding the relationship choice with the actual condition of the parties. Homosexual marriage is a 'choice' but gender is not. Interracial marriage is a choice but race is not. Do you see the connection?

    Race is to Gender as interracial marriage is to homosexual marriage.
    You are correct about the bolded part except it's not my logic of equality. I am just stating the literal reading of the law. If you look at history, the laws weren't written as you say.
    In the Loving case, the law stated that white people could not marry other races. A specific group is denied equal protection of the law. White people.
    The government has gotten smarter and has written the law to apply to everyone in the state. In order to have a violation of the 14th amendment (that was used in the Loving case) the law must apply to some and not others. Prop 8 applies to everyone equally. No individual may marry more than one person. No individual may marry someone of the same sex. No one is excluded from the law so as such no one receive privileges denied to others.

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    No one is excluded from the law so as such no one receive privileges denied to others.
    Yes, men are being excluded from marrying men, yet woman are not. That's descrimination being applied to only one group. And before you mention lesbians, that's not the same aspect.

    Woman cannot marry women, but men can. Additional descrimination, not 'negating' descrimination.

    And let's not look at history, let's look at a hypothetical. What if there was a prop. akin to prop8 that banned all interracial marriage (not just in one race). Now it's being applied to everyone equally. This is justified?
    Last edited by Unrein; 12-04-08 at 09:08 PM.

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Equality for all, as guaranteed by the founding documents of our country.
    Jeffersonian rhetoric was despise by many of the FF's like Madison, John Adams, Hamilton, Jay et all. There were men who did not believe men were equal.
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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    It's a travesty. And as far as I'm concerned, it's a crime.
    Makes you wonder what the vote would have been if those commericals hadn't lied...

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrein View Post
    Who is Loving?
    ......is this a serious question?

    If it is, then I would be happy to explain my understanding of the ruling and how it is used to argue in favor of gay marriage.

    If it's not, then STFU
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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Gay marriage blows more than straight marriage.
    I hear gay marriage is a real pain in the ass.

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Gay marriage blows more than straight marriage.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I hear gay marriage is a real pain in the ass.
    Eh, you often get ****ed either way. If you're lucky.
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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrein View Post
    Yes, men are being excluded from marrying men, yet woman are not. That's descrimination being applied to only one group. And before you mention lesbians, that's not the same aspect.

    Woman cannot marry women, but men can. Additional descrimination, not 'negating' descrimination.

    And let's not look at history, let's look at a hypothetical. What if there was a prop. akin to prop8 that banned all interracial marriage (not just in one race). Now it's being applied to everyone equally. This is justified?
    Take a random woman for example.

    A non-related man can marry her, while a related man cannot.

    The only reason why the second man denied his basic human right to marry is due to familial relation.

    As familial relation is a federally protected class*, a ban against incest is discrimination.

    Therefore, if one oppose discrimination absolutely, one necessarily supports familial marriage.

    I oppose familial marriage; therefore I am open to discriminating against federally protected classes.

    Since I am open to discriminating against federally protected classes, merely claiming that a gay marriage ban is discrimination means nothing to me.




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    Last edited by Jerry; 12-05-08 at 02:20 AM.

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