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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eko Ren View Post
    No, they hold the answers to questions about definitions.
    Depends, definitions are contentious when applied to many social and political terms. For instance I have learned the dictionary definition of socialism is one that is quite different to most socialists conception of their ideology.
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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    I like that they want to get married.

    I also like that they can't get married.

    I want to keep it the way it is (inaction) as opposed to make it legal (action).
    ooOOOooo, another good one.

    But:

    Two gay guys try to get married--you must stop them, which is an action.

    Two gay guys try to get marries--you let them, which is inaction.

    I see your logic, but in terms of reality, although there would be a lot of bureaurocratic red tape and such, there wouldn't be much action involved in allowing a group of people to marry if they want.

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Depends, definitions are contentious when applied to many social and political terms. For instance I have learned the dictionary definition of socialism is one that is quite different to most socialists conception of their ideology.
    That makes their perceptions wrong, not the definition!

    Socialism is actually a half-step to Communism, although most people understand it as what's actually Utopian Socialism.

    But that mistake is easier to make and rationalize than, say, only acknowledging one out of five or so definitions of a word.

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eko Ren View Post
    That makes their perceptions wrong, not the definition!
    Ah so the definition is different to what the vast majority believe or rather is only a minor part of what some believe.

    Socialism is actually a half-step to Communism, although most people understand it as what's actually Utopian Socialism.

    But that mistake is easier to make and rationalize than, say, only acknowledging one out of five or so definitions of a word.
    The definition of socialism is usually the state owning the means of production or something like that but I've learned that most consider this incidental and many are in fact libertarians or anarchists who don't see too great a role for the state.

    By learnt I mean through personal experience of being a libertarian socialist and having to explain that does not necessarily mean I want the state to own the means of production.

    Dictionaries are a poor basis for indepth analysis of social and political terms.
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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Ah so the definition is different to what the vast majority believe or rather is only a minor part of what some believe.

    The definition of socialism is usually the state owning the means of production or something like that but I've learned that most consider this incidental and many are in fact libertarians or anarchists who don't see too great a role for the state.

    Dictionaries are a poor basis for indepth analysis of social and political terms.
    Sigh.

    Okay, on one hand, you're right that language is dynamic as opposed to static, hence making it difficult to be pedantic about definitions. But that doesn't belie the necessity for a standard in lingual meaning.

    The definition of Socialism is the state appropriating capital (in other words, a capitalistic society sans profit) as opposed to revenue being issued directly to the individual, and it is ideally a transition as opposed to a full-on political theory, in that it was a vehicle that Marx contrived to convert a society from Capitalism to Communism.

    What you're referring to is Utopian Socialism, which is practically a barter system with money thrown in for kicks.

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eko Ren View Post
    Sigh.

    Okay, on one hand, you're right that language is dynamic as opposed to static, hence making it difficult to be pedantic about definitions. But that doesn't belie the necessity for a standard in lingual meaning.

    The definition of Socialism is the state appropriating capital (in other words, a capitalistic society sans profit) as opposed to revenue being issued directly to the individual, and it is ideally a transition as opposed to a full-on political theory, in that it was a vehicle that Marx contrived to convert a society from Capitalism to Communism.
    I'm well aware of the Marxist theory but not all socialists are Marxists nor do a lot of them keep strictly to the theory when talking about socialism. Socialism is a transition but it isn't just the state owning capital, and it doesn't have to involve the state at all, it relates to the workers controlling the capital. After all the state doesn't have to be controlled by the workers but then it could hardly be called socialist to any socialist.


    What you're referring to is Utopian Socialism, which is practically a barter system with money thrown in for kicks.
    Utopian socialism was a broad range of ideas by various thinkers. It is interesting, far more so than most of the Marxist stuff imho, but no that is not what I meant. I was talking about socialism in general and libertarian socialism and anarchism in general. These are socialist and yet are anti-state.

    So one should be careful about the usage of dictionaries when looking at terminology like this.
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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eko Ren View Post
    Two gay guys try to get married--you must stop them, which is an action.

    Two gay guys try to get marries--you let them, which is inaction.

    I see your logic, but in terms of reality, although there would be a lot of bureaurocratic red tape and such, there wouldn't be much action involved in allowing a group of people to marry if they want.
    if we're speaking in terms of reality, there'd be more action involved in changing laws than in leaving them the way they are. meaning, burden's still yours.

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cristina View Post
    Prove that gay marriage will cause the 'moral decline' of society.
    Prove that a stuffed up nose will cause a cold.

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    and for the record, people, I'm female.

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    Re: How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cristina View Post
    Same thing it gains when it allows heterosexuals to marry.
    A couple that can bear children? No, try again.

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