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Thread: What's worse European Imperialism or Islamic Imperialism?

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    Re: What's worse European Imperialism or Islamic Imperialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonslayer View Post
    I think that Aztec or Zapotec imperialism is the worst.

    For the most part, most moslems are just spreading the word as they see it.
    Christians always do the same thing.

    Maybe Christian imperialism is the worst.
    When has a country ever been conquered in the name of Christianity?
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    Re: What's worse European Imperialism or Islamic Imperialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    and that definition is realted to Islam in which way ?
    Um it has everything to do with the spread of dar al-Islam through offensive Jihad under every single caliphate in history.

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    Re: Most of these countries aren't establishing colonies or dominating other countrie

    Quote Originally Posted by oberhaenslir View Post
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    What do you mean with European Imperialism?
    Europe has 51 countries, but most of these countries aren't establishing colonies or dominating other countries (exception Russia) ...
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    I'm referring to their colonial/imperialist past.


    What do you mean with Islamic Imperialism?
    There are 8 Islamic countries and 13 further countries with Islam as state religion on the world, but most of these countries aren't establishing colonies or dominating other countries (exceptions Morocco, Pakistan and Syria) ...

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    The spread of dar al-Islam through offensive Jihad and subterfuge. For example in places that have been historically majority Christian like Lebanon Muslims have outbread them and then staged what amounted to coups over entire swaths of their territory like in Southern Lebanon with Hezbollah, another recent example would be the break away of nearly half of India in the form of Pakistan and dar al-Islam's continued attempts to obtain Kashmir, dar al-Islam is still expanding through force and other means, however, my article mainly focuses on the past.

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    Lebanon is colonised by the Christian minority

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    Quote Originally Posted by jin1776 View Post
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    The spread of dar al-Islam through offensive Jihad and subterfuge. For example in places that have been historically majority Christian like Lebanon Muslims have outbread them and then staged what amounted to coups over ...
    Lebanon is colonised by the Christian minority, that had (or has) the power since a long time.
    The the power which did destroy the Palestinian refugee camp Chatila ...

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    Re: What's worse European Imperialism or Islamic Imperialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Do you now except that the "Ottoman empire" was from its inception an imperialist idea?

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    paul , not exactly from the inception , the Ottoman's where doing well until the internal war on the president begun , the presidence went to the wrong persons and then the imperialism began ..
    Last edited by Ahmed Shaheen; 12-01-08 at 02:23 PM.

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    Re: What's worse European Imperialism or Islamic Imperialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Like the Koran and Bible, Wikipedia is written by man.
    Do you think that everything man writes is true ?? Of course not, a reason for endless, unresolved debates...
    It makes more sense that imperialism is necessary for an empire, capitalism has nothing to do with this...

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    Re: Lebanon is colonised by the Christian minority

    Quote Originally Posted by oberhaenslir View Post
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    Lebanon is colonised by the Christian minority, that had (or has) the power since a long time.
    The the power which did destroy the Palestinian refugee camp Chatila ...

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    Christians had a majority in Lebanon for a long long time and it was only very recently when the Muslim imperialists gained a majority and the Christians still consist of about a 40% of the popoulation in fact my uniformed friend the Christians were in Lebanon far longer than the Muslims so who colonized who.
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    Re: What's worse European Imperialism or Islamic Imperialism?

    Dude............
    Seriously.
    There is no comparison.

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    Re: What's worse European Imperialism or Islamic Imperialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonslayer View Post
    I think that Aztec or Zapotec imperialism is the worst.

    For the most part, most moslems are just spreading the word as they see it.
    Christians always do the same thing.

    Maybe Christian imperialism is the worst.
    IMO there is no such thing as 'Christian Imperialism' to be honest and if there is, it probably happened so long ago that most of us couldn't properly judge it.

    European Imperialism was about spreading Christianity the way the Civil war was about 'State's rights'. Sure at the start, I'm pretty sure they felt very strong about the evil Federal government just like I'm sure Europeans felt very strongly about spreading Christianity through the heathen lands of South America, Africa and Asia but as time progressed all that it ended up being was an excuse to use oppression and to pillage. It was based on the material.

    This is diametrically opposed to Islamic Imperialism in the sense that Islamic Imperialism focuses almost exclusively on the individual and breaking him down through the destruction of culture, values and other social aspects. The Spaniards did an incredible amount of damage to the Mayan, Aztec and Inca cultures but to some extent they can still be found. How many tribes in Africa, the Middle East and Asia weren't completely wiped out culturally and otherwise due to Islamic expansion? People didn't embrace Islam everywhere. Like most major religions it was brought to people with a blade as an option.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that European Imperialism was based on European greed while Islamic Imperialism is based on expanding Islam. For that alone it is worse to have a few angry Europeans every few centuries then a Muslim Empire.
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    Re: What's worse European Imperialism or Islamic Imperialism?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Like the Koran and Bible, Wikipedia is written by man.
    Do you think that everything man writes is true ?? Of course not, a reason for endless, unresolved debates...
    It makes more sense that imperialism is necessary for an empire, capitalism has nothing to do with this...
    hh , sorry athiest , koran and bible were never written by man , wikipedia isnt true about categorizing group and religions , you'll find hundreds of differnet writings about groups and religions , eventhough the same article which is translated to different languages are'nt the same ( Article written in english is different than the one written in arabic for the same article ) ...
    so I dont believe ( like many members in this forum ) but the general info articles like talking about socialism , capitalism ... imperialism .

    another thing , you are too small to be even a minority in the middle of religious people ,, so your opinions doesnt matter at all for us , like saying there is no God , the koran or the bible is written by man . so do you think that all those people are stupid religious and you are the smart ones ?
    Last edited by Ahmed Shaheen; 12-02-08 at 04:41 AM.

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