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Thread: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

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    Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Hello there people,

    Just a thought here: in many developed regions we see the abolishment of capital punishment as a penalty for any crime. However, there still exists countries that do still exercise the death penalty system (approximately 90 countries) with 38 out of 50 states in the U.S. still endorsing the death penalty.

    A major element of the argument will be the value of life: the side that supports capital punishment may argue that abolishing it results in the devaluation of respect for human life as the punishment is not proportionate and as such, does not reflect the significance of the crime. Also, the fact that the punishment is congruent to the crime proves that the system reflects the objective of the judiciary system: to deter.

    The side that opposes capital punishment may argue that in the simplest of terms, execution is state-seanctioned killing - how different will taking the life of a killer be than taking the life of an innocent if the main objective is to preserve human life in general? Moreover, who is the judiciary system to have the right to take away one's right to life - the most fundamental of all rights? We all know how prejudice clouds judgement, especially in the fragile glass sheet that is today's society. Social bias makes secularity impossible, making the system unequal and as such, impossible to implement capital punishment in.

    So what do you think? Should the use capital punishment be supported or opposed?

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Not only yes capital punishment is justified but hell yes it is justified. Those who commit certain heinous crimes are not deserving of life. Capital punishment serves as the ultimate punishment. It is unfair to the victims loved ones and other honest citizens to have to provide shelter,medical care, food, libraries, security,entertainment and other things to these scum who are behind bars.
    "Sorry Jimmy's family and friends not only did this scumbag kill little Jimmy now you get to support this scumbag for the rest of his life." Its seems like adding insult to injury to the victims,the victim's loved ones and other honest law abiding citizens. In some cases the death penalty serves as a deterrent.

    Most of the anti-death penalty nuts seem to show as much compassion for the victims and their loved ones as the scum on death row.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Glad for the response. However, why don't you consider the possibility of the criminal reforming and as a result, ultimately benefit society? How different is taking away the criminal's life from taking away little Jimmy's life? Not every murderer is a chainsaw-wielding-serial-child-rapist, what if the crime was circumstantial? It is indeed unfortunate that Jimmy didn't have a choice before he was killed but who are you to take that choice away from the criminal?

    (Just an opposing view, I did vote the same way you did, FYI.)

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    IMO, the government should not be killing it's citizens for any reason. The only logical reason for capital punishment is as revenge. The Government is not in the revenge business.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by AKLee View Post
    Glad for the response. However, why don't you consider the possibility of the criminal reforming and as a result, ultimately benefit society?
    The main priority of the justice system when it comes to criminals is punishment,not reform. I do not care if some scumbag can be reformed.


    How different is taking away the criminal's life from taking away little Jimmy's life?
    Little Jimmy is innocent the criminal is not.


    Not every murderer is a chainsaw-wielding-serial-child-rapist, what if the crime was circumstantial?
    If you speaking of circumstantial evidence being used to convict someone, I support life sentences in those cases.

    It is indeed unfortunate that Jimmy didn't have a choice before he was killed but who are you to take that choice away from the criminal?
    In order to not have vigilante mobs running around taking justice into their own hands we as society agree to adequately punish scum.



    (Just an opposing view, I did vote the same way you did, FYI.)

    -Alex
    I did a thread regarding what people saw was more important, rehabilitation or punishment.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...-one-pill.html (If it was possible to rehabilitate criminals with one pill...........................)
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    IMO, the government should not be killing it's citizens for any reason. The only logical reason for capital punishment is as revenge. The Government is not in the revenge business.
    I sure that kind of reasoning can be applied to life sentences, fines, parole and other forms of punishment not just the death penalty. Some victims and their loved ones want scum to rot behind bars for their rest of their life.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I sure that kind of reasoning can be applied to life sentences, fines, parole and other forms of punishment not just the death penalty. Some victims and their loved ones want scum to rot behind bars for their rest of their life.

    Removal of the a potential recidivist person from the general population is beneficail to the society as a whole. Going that extra step and removing that person from teh realm of the living is unneccesary and vengeance driven.

    What the victim and their loved one's want is irrelevant to my logic.

    Emotionally, I feel for them, but the post facto consideration of them is only done for emotional reasons, and justice should be emotionless.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    I don't have a problem with Capital Punishment. One way or the other, we remove a problem from our society. If the crime is heinous enough, I see no value in keeping them alive.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    What the victim and their loved one's want is irrelevant to my logic.
    Of course they are irrelevant to you anti-death penalty nuts, you guys have as much compassion for victims and their loved ones as the scum on death row do. Which is why the scum on death row are there and why you and others like you advocate that we should not execute these scum. You advocate that the victims loved ones and honest law abiding citizens should be forced to support these scum for the rest of their lives that we should pay for their room, food, medical care, security, entertainment, libraries, rat lawyers to help them weasel out of their punishment, sex change operation and drugs(in some states) and many other things.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Of course they are irrelevant to you anti-death penalty nuts, you guys have as much compassion for victims and their loved ones as the scum on death row do. Which is why the scum on death row are there and why you and others like you advocate that we should not execute these scum. You advocate that the victims loved ones and honest law abiding citizens should be forced to support these scum for the rest of their lives that we should pay for their room, food, medical care, security, entertainment, libraries, rat lawyers to help them weasel out of their punishment, sex change operation and drugs(in some states) and many other things.
    Everybody who disagrees with you is a nut. They're not fellow citizens with a different opinion. They're just nuts.

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