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Thread: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Dunno about you, but I would rather be killed quickly than spend the rest of my life in prison.
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    It's not the criminal I am referring to. It is the "innocent" individual wrongly accused and sentenced to life in prison. I am arguing from my opinion as an innocent.
    Excuse me for putting the two together - but as they relate it made sense to reply both in one go.

    I'm using the examples of miscarriage of justice which we have seen plenty of in the UK in the last few years.

    Birmingham Six - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Birmingham Six - for example, could have been executed for terrorism if we still had Capital Punishment but they now walk free after 20 or so years false imprisonment. They I think are happy there was no Death Penalty.

    Plenty other such cases and I'm sure there are in the US too. If I was innocent I would prefer to live and fight to clear my name than die knowing someone else did what I was supposed to have - and I'd rather not have my name, kids or offspring tarnished by false justice either.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then we need to find a way to make it cheaper to execute someone on death row. I suggest that the stronger the evidence used to convict someone the less appeals they get and getting rid of any insanity nonsense(since it is irrelevent to the fact the individual committed the crime). While these scum on are death feed them bologna sandwiches or just feed them vitamin enriched bread,if they want to commit suicide in their cell let them, do not spend any money on medical care for them, do not let them have access to libraries or any of the that other stuff.
    We did but it was ruled out as inhumane.

    1 bullet, 4 blanks or the execution rig with 3 bullets. Less the $1.00 per execution. Reduce the wait period on death row from 10 years to one week for persons having direct DNA evidence against them.



    Costs of the Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center
    “The additional cost of confining an inmate to death row, as compared to the maximum security prisons where those sentenced to life without possibility of parole ordinarily serve their sentences, is $90,000 per year per inmate. With California’s current death row population of 670, that accounts for $63.3 million annually.”
    Ok so thats only $4k more?

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    IMO, the government should not be killing it's citizens for any reason. The only logical reason for capital punishment is as revenge. The Government is not in the revenge business.
    Thomas Jefferson would disagree with you.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    We did but it was ruled out as inhumane.

    1 bullet, 4 blanks or the execution rig with 3 bullets. Less the $1.00 per execution.
    Actually execution by firing squad is still legal in Oklahoma and Idaho. Four inmates in Utah could still face firing squads since the their law banning execution by firing squads was not retroactive.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And most pro-death penalty nuts seem not to give a crap about the innocents killed under the penalty.
    We do not punish criminals based on the few who might actually be innocent. We punish criminals based on the fact that the huge vast majority of them are guilty of the crime they have been convicted of. Besides the anti-death penalty side already stated that it doesn't the government shouldn't be in the business of "revenge", so in that regard if there are actually innocent people who have been executed their deaths do not matter to you either and I am sure the financial cost do not matter to you either.

    Nor the obscene cost.
    Then it needs to be made cheaper. Because I sure the drugs,electricity or whatever else is used to execute someone doesn't cost millions of dollars. It is all the bull **** that happens before the execution that cost millions of dollars. I am sure those things can be cut. Because there is no reason why one trial for murder should cost more than the other, there is no reason why someone who was convicted with very strong evidence should have a **** load of appeals, nor is there any reason why one court appointed attorney should cost more than another court attorney for the accused.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 11-24-08 at 08:27 AM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    and yet it is still cheaper than a death sentence
    No, it isn't the death penalty that is expensive, it's all the ridiculous amount of legal wrangling we allow death row inmates to engage in at taxpayer expense. Instead of limiting appeals to claims of factual innocence, we let them appeal on any basis whatsoever in a desperate attempt to stay alive. It extends their lives for decades and they stand a better chance of dying of old age than of actually getting executed.

    The actual execution, if it ever comes, is positively cheap in comparison.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That is inherently the problem. The primary added costs of a capital punishment case verse a life in prison is proving without a doubt that they did it.
    Which was done in the original trial, then it was done again in the mandatory appeal. That's twice. How many times do we have to prove it? How many frivolous appeals do we have to permit before we say enough and execute the criminal? That's where the cost comes in, not the execution itself.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We do not punish criminals based on the few who might actually be innocent. We punish criminals based on the fact that the huge vast majority of them are guilty of the crime they have been convicted of. Besides the anti-death penalty side already stated that it doesn't the government shouldn't be in the business of "revenge", so in that regard if there are actually innocent people who have been executed their deaths do not matter to you either and I am sure the financial cost do not matter to you either.



    Then it needs to be made cheaper. Because I sure the drugs,electricity or whatever else is used to execute someone doesn't cost millions of dollars. It is all the bull **** that happens before the execution that cost millions of dollars. I am sure those things can be cut. Because there is no reason why one trial for murder should cost more than the other, there is no reason why someone who was convicted with very strong evidence should have a **** load of appeals, nor is there any reason why one court appointed attorney should cost more than another court attorney for the accused.
    As we all know, the death penalty was cheaper when hanging and firing squads were allowed, as well as a short appeals process. It was made more expensive by laws developed during the last century.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Thomas Jefferson would disagree with you.
    He would aslo disagree with me about how one would need to be an immoral scumbag piece of **** in order to actually have the gall to own another person, let alone sleep with a person whom they own.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    I don't view capital punishment as something that we really need to engage in anymore. I think there are times of high stress when it may have to be employed. So I wouldn't say 100% it is never justified. But I think currently where we sit, we no longer need to employ it. I'm not too happy with government taking out its own citizens anyway, and if we can work in a system where we don't resort to that; then I think we should.
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