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Thread: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    I see how this could be true. But like I said I have not seen a "single death" example. The only thing I've seen are generalizations and speculations.
    What do you mean by "single death"? A comparison of some sort?
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    What do you mean by "single death"? A comparison of some sort?
    Yesm. How much it would cost when all is said and done with from one "average" death penalty sentancing and procedure, as opposed to the cost of a life sentancing and term of a similar aged person.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Yesm. How much it would cost when all is said and done with from one "average" death penalty sentancing and procedure, as opposed to the cost of a life sentancing and term of a similar aged person.
    I've seen those before and they tend to be in favor of life sentencing from what I;ve seen for the reasons I've given, but those were physical articles from years ago. things may have changed since then. I don;t have nay online sources for it since it isn't really a huge concern of mine.

    I'm OK with the individual states having the choice. I would just hope that my state becomes a no Death Penalty state. It's halfway there right now.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    In some cases the death penalty serves as a deterrent.
    Not according to the Supreme Court in their rulings in Furman Vs Georgia and Gregg Vs Georgia.

    Most of the anti-death penalty nuts seem to show as much compassion for the victims and their loved ones as the scum on death row.
    And most pro-death penalty nuts seem not to give a crap about the innocents killed under the penalty. Nor the obscene cost.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    : Geez! I wasn't aware I had these beliefs. Can you teach me more about what I advocate?

    When you advocate a life sentence you are advocating that the victims loved ones and every law abiding citizen support these scum for the rest of their lives.That is the result of life in prison, you,me and everyone else paying for the room and baord, security,medical care and anything else these inmates get.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    some people do debate it, but there are many articles, including some in this very thread that show it is cheaper to give someone a life sentence than to give them the death penalty and all the appeals and expenses that come with it
    Then we need to find a way to make it cheaper to execute someone on death row. I suggest that the stronger the evidence used to convict someone the less appeals they get and getting rid of any insanity nonsense(since it is irrelevent to the fact the individual committed the crime). While these scum on are death feed them bologna sandwiches or just feed them vitamin enriched bread,if they want to commit suicide in their cell let them, do not spend any money on medical care for them, do not let them have access to libraries or any of the that other stuff.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then we need to find a way to make it cheaper to execute someone on death row.
    That is inherently the problem. The primary added costs of a capital punishment case verse a life in prison is proving without a doubt that they did it. That requires extra effort, extra evidence and far more work then in a life in prison. That all adds up to much higher costs. The costs to house aren't significently different then life in prison. But the alternative would be to reduce the necessary evidence but that will inevitably lead to even more innocents being executed. That's not acceptable.

    Costs of the Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That is inherently the problem. The primary added costs of a capital punishment case verse a life in prison is proving without a doubt that they did it. That requires extra effort, extra evidence and far more work then in a life in prison. That all adds up to much higher costs. The costs to house aren't significently different then life in prison. But the alternative would be to reduce the necessary evidence but that will inevitably lead to even more innocents being executed. That's not acceptable.

    Costs of the Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center
    I honestly don't understand why anyone would think that life in prison is "BETTER" than the death penalty.

    I wonder how many people that preach about the death penalty being inhumane etc would commit suicide if they were institutionalized.


    Either way, I think it's silly that they need that much "more" to put someone out rather than imprison them for life. Either way, the person is effed.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    THis is really shaping up to be an argumentative thread, but I think there's abit of a skew towards support for it and less people that oppose it. I will write a comprehensive reply to that post addressing my two points later, once I'm back home.

    On the issue of costs, the people arguing that life imprisonment is less expensive tend to ignore the propensity of court appeals and procedures that come along with the death penalty, that all in all add up to an avergae surpassing the average cost of life imprisonment.

    Why the squabble about the emotion involved and the extent to which the death penalty is humane? Its quite obvious, attempts for the method of execution to be made humane is evident over the years, from the French gullotine of the 18th century to the replacement of drawing and quatering with hanging in 19th century Britain, from the use of the electric chair to the eventual use of lethal injection today. If humane treatment of criminals is what is intended, why even take away their right to life? Why not employ life imprisonment, a process that achieves the same goals?

    I'm incredibly sleepy as I write this, I just woke up, so please pardon any apparent lack of logic.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    I honestly don't understand why anyone would think that life in prison is "BETTER" than the death penalty.
    In some ways it's not. But death row has a way of making people work on getting you released. Life in prison, not so much.

    Either way, the person is effed.
    Be that as it may, my mine issue is the cost as well as innocent people being executed.
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