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Thread: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by AKLee View Post
    --: the side that supports capital punishment may argue that abolishing it results in the devaluation of respect for human life as the punishment is not proportionate and as such, does not reflect the significance of the crime. Also, the fact that the punishment is congruent to the crime proves that the system reflects the objective of the judiciary system: to deter.

    The side that opposes capital punishment may argue that in the simplest of terms, execution is state-seanctioned killing - how different will taking the life of a killer be than taking the life of an innocent if the main objective is to preserve human life in general? --
    Hi Alex, I struggle with the two cases you bring forward.

    Firstly, no matter how many criminals we may kill or have killed, it never brought any victims back or even prevented any new victims being created. Thus I cannot agree the position that Capital Punishment brings about any re-valuation of human life. (the side that supports capital punishment may argue that abolishing it results in the devaluation of respect for human life)

    Also, those who tend to argue against Capital Punishment worry less about state sanctioned killing or more likely state sanctioned revenge than the worry that an innocent may be wrongly killed as has happened before. One innocent killed by the state is worse than 100 proven murderers being killed in my opinion and I believe in the opinion of those groups that oppose the death penalty.

    Personally, I would agree death sentence for paedophiles only as it seems these are the only people who cannot be changed of their condition - I was in favour of chemical castration but now I read it doesn't always work. I'd rather see as Tashah states proper life sentences for convicted killers and without the little luxuries many prisoners take for granted now.
    If a society chooses to have death sentences then I would want that society to make 100% sure the perpetrator is 100% guilty of the crime.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's acknowledging that I do have sympathy for the victims and their families. justice is blind, and it should also be heartless. I don't think emotional arguemtns should be made in any direction. The reason we have justice is for the betterment of society.

    The issue at hand when delivering a sentence is not "punishment" per se, it is prevention.

    Any person who commits as heinous an act as what is considered a capital offense should be locked up for life and given the bare minimum necessary for survival.

    I don't care about anything else besides removing them form society.

    The only reason for the death penalty is to act as retribution. Punishemnt above and beyond what is necessary is pointless.

    The ONLY arguemtns in favor of the Death Penalty are emotionally based. They are more expensive, ineffective as a deterrent, and valueless for the society as a whole.

    I have yet to hear a logical argument in favor of a Government killing it's own citizens that is emotionless. I would listent to such an argument. I've yet to hear it.

    I don;t make any emotional argumetns against the death penalty either. Liek I said, the issue is Justice, and Justice, IMO, should be blind and it should be emotionless.
    I agree with you, I just don't see the point in giving them even the bare minimum for survival. Completely removing them from the equation eliminates any risks or potential for them to cause any further problems.

    To be completely honest, (gonna get a few comments for this one I'm sure) if someone is seen unfit for society, an inexpensive, quick death would be key. Lethal injections are silly, the electric chair is.... erm... well, you've seen The Green Mile , the Guillatine however, and they are gone. The only expenses would be that of disposal, cleaning, and maintenance on the device.

    I just really don't see the point in imprisoning someone for that period of time.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Also, those who tend to argue against Capital Punishment worry less about state sanctioned killing or more likely state sanctioned revenge than the worry that an innocent may be wrongly killed as has happened before. One innocent killed by the state is worse than 100 proven murderers being killed in my opinion and I believe in the opinion of those groups that oppose the death penalty.

    Dunno about you, but I would rather be killed quickly than spend the rest of my life in prison.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    I agree with you, I just don't see the point in giving them even the bare minimum for survival. Completely removing them from the equation eliminates any risks or potential for them to cause any further problems.

    To be completely honest, (gonna get a few comments for this one I'm sure) if someone is seen unfit for society, an inexpensive, quick death would be key. Lethal injections are silly, the electric chair is.... erm... well, you've seen The Green Mile , the Guillatine however, and they are gone. The only expenses would be that of disposal, cleaning, and maintenance on the device.

    I just really don't see the point in imprisoning someone for that period of time.
    The thing is its actually cheaper to lock 'em up for life. teh appeals process is not usually stretched to the limit simply because of a life sentence unless the person is actually innocent. But even a scumbag like Gacy cost millions to kill. It's not econmically viable.

    Even more important, the govenrment isn't in the business of killing it's citizenry for any reason. It's not logical for a govenrment to kill its people. It is the governments job to protect its people, and that means removing any threat from being a threat.

    But killing its citizens is overstepping its duties.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Dunno about you, but I would rather be killed quickly than spend the rest of my life in prison.
    That would be irrelevant, IMO. What the criminal would prefer is not the issue.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    That would be irrelevant, IMO. What the criminal would prefer is not the issue.
    It's not the criminal I am referring to. It is the "innocent" individual wrongly accused and sentenced to life in prison. I am arguing from my opinion as an innocent.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    It's not the criminal I am referring to. It is the "innocent" individual wrongly accused and sentenced to life in prison. I am arguing from my opinion as an innocent.
    Gotcha. My bad.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The thing is its actually cheaper to lock 'em up for life. teh appeals process is not usually stretched to the limit simply because of a life sentence unless the person is actually innocent. But even a scumbag like Gacy cost millions to kill. It's not econmically viable.

    Even more important, the govenrment isn't in the business of killing it's citizenry for any reason. It's not logical for a govenrment to kill its people. It is the governments job to protect its people, and that means removing any threat from being a threat.

    But killing its citizens is overstepping its duties.
    The way it is set up now it MAY be more expensive to kill someone. I can't confirm or deny this as I havent been able to get a "single death" answer

    I don't see why we should be spending money to keep people alive, just like I don't see why it costs so much to kill them. Guillatine. Done. There is absolutely NO room for error when it comes to that sentenced individual harming ANYONE ever again.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    I don't see why we should be spending money to keep people alive, just like I don't see why it costs so much to kill them. Guillatine. Done. There is absolutely NO room for error when it comes to that sentenced individual harming ANYONE ever again.
    It's mostly Lawyer costs. The appeals are exhausted in Death Penalty cases, but they aren't in life imprisonment cases. That adds up real quick.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's mostly Lawyer costs. The appeals are exhausted in Death Penalty cases, but they aren't in life imprisonment cases. That adds up real quick.
    I see how this could be true. But like I said I have not seen a "single death" example. The only thing I've seen are generalizations and speculations.

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