View Poll Results: Should Capital Punishment be supported?

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  • It should be supported in both principle and practice.

    43 47.78%
  • Yes in principle, but not in practice due to the ambiguity of social bias.

    14 15.56%
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Thread: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    an aside, it always really grossed me out how they'd show public hangings in cowboy movies with a crowd of people watching, women sitting on blankets and little kids running around. it's like seriously people, have a church social or something if you're that desperate for a gathering. I can't imagine watching a hanging without puking afterwards. I wonder if that was a big issue back then.
    I assume it was better than smelling burning flesh.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    my question for you wessexman is this--if you grant the state the power to imprison people for life, how is that any different from granting the state the power to execute people? and I mean this seriously. either way you are giving gov't a ton of power, aren't you?
    To end life is the ultimate power and carries with it a sense of awe and fear that prison cannot.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    Hell yeah! Pack a picnic lunch and make a day of it! Nothing better than a good ol' fashioned public hanging!
    A hanging and hang, drawing and quartering are very different things.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    To end life is the ultimate power and carries with it a sense of awe and fear that prison cannot.
    well I have to say that this kind of argument imo is sensible though perhaps a little alarmist, but I do believe that some people need to be removed from society. some crimes against humanity warrant death, and it can't be left to citizens to take care of it.

    death penalty in the US is a state issue, so it's not as centralized as it could be.

    I hate to sound like I'm trying too hard to agree with you on everything but what I mean to say is, I can see how your argument would make sense to you.

    in general I hate people who agree to disagree, so I will maintain that you're wrong though well-intentioned.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    To end life is the ultimate power and carries with it a sense of awe and fear that prison cannot.
    If it brings a sense of awe and fear, then you're saying it IS a deterrent, right?

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    If it brings a sense of awe and fear, then you're saying it IS a deterrent, right?
    the average citizen shouldn't fear the government, though. it should be the other way around.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    the average citizen shouldn't fear the government, though. it should be the other way around.
    No, you're right about the average citizen, but as for murderers and scum like that, they SHOULD have fear.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    No, you're right about the average citizen, but as for murderers and scum like that, they SHOULD have fear.
    I believe though he is saying that it promotes fear and awe in general among the citizens, which should be avoided at all costs. and it's pretty true, if you think about it, that people are a little in awe of authority. I mean on a smaller scale, how many people actually see a cop car and think "oh good, if there's a cop around I'm safe"? personally I think "sheet, sheet, how fast am I going?" government and authority shouldn't be viewed as punitive or disciplinary figures--at least, not first and foremost. hopefully citizens remember that gov't is here primarily to serve.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    If it brings a sense of awe and fear, then you're saying it IS a deterrent, right?
    No, I'm saying it increases general awe and fear of the state.

    Unless it was very effective I don't think that it being a deterrent matters, I don't consider it a particularly just or good move to punish someone for what someone else may do.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    The answer is so obvious (to me)

    Justice is a punishment equivilent to the crime committed. You take someone's life deliberately that's exactly what you'll be paying yourself.

    There's no need to 'reform' these people, there is no need waste money keeping them alive for nothing. They have no redeeming value, they committed the ultimate violation of someone elses rights and as a freedom protecting society we would be doing a diservice to the victim(s) to be 'easy' on them.

    Why should we respect the lives of those who don't respect others in the same fashion?

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