View Poll Results: Should Capital Punishment be supported?

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  • It should be supported in both principle and practice.

    43 47.78%
  • Yes in principle, but not in practice due to the ambiguity of social bias.

    14 15.56%
  • It should be opposed both in principle and practice.

    33 36.67%
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Thread: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Why? To serve the greater good, I have no problem with a little collateral damage. Imagine this scenario: a terrorist group is going to release a highly fatal strain of smallpox into the general population. The only way to stop them and kill the strain is to incinerate their hideout, but there may be people not involved in the plot there and they cannot be warned without risking the release of the smallpox. Personally, I see nothing at all wrong with potentially killing a few innocents in order to save what could be millions. It's not an optimal choice, but it's one I'd make any second of the day.
    I would actually support the government making such a choice as it would be done in direct defense of its citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    There is such a thing called Justifiable Homicide. If someone breaks into my house, I can shoot his sorry ass and get away with it. Capital punishment is justifiable homicide, since other members of society are being protected. Keeping them in prison for life costs too damned much anyway.
    From the California Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice

    • “The additional cost of confining an inmate to death row, as compared to the maximum security prisons where those sentenced to life without possibility of parole ordinarily serve their sentences, is $90,000 per year per inmate. With California’s current death row population of 670, that accounts for $63.3 million annually.”
    That's for California alone. 63.3 million.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    Like I said, it's cheaper for the taxpayer.
    Really?

    A new study released by the Urban Institute on March 6, 2008 found that Maryland taxpayers have paid at least $37.2 million for each of the state’s five executions since 1978 when the state reenacted the death penalty. The study, prepared by the Urban Institute, estimates that the average cost to Maryland taxpayers for reaching a single death sentence is $3 million - $1.9 million more than the cost of a non-death penalty case. The study examined 162 capital cases that were prosecuted between 1978 and 1999 and found that seeking the death penalty in those cases cost $186 million more than what those cases would have cost had the death penalty not been sought. At every phase of a case, according to the study, capital murder cases cost more than non-capital murder cases.

    The 106 cases in which a death sentence was sought but not handed down in Maryalnd cost the state an additional $71 million. Those costs were incurred simply to seek the death penalty where the ultimate outcome was a life or long-term prison sentence.

    http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/CostsDPMaryland.pdf
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie1988 View Post
    I could use your logic to argue that no one should ever be put in prison:

    Premise 1: The government should not have a power than the power of its citizens.

    Premise 2: Citizens do not have the right to involuntarily imprison another citizen.

    Premise 3: Therefore, government does not have the right to involuntarily imprison another citizen.

    Declaring "It's that simple."
    Hmmmmm....if citizens did this, it would be called kidnapping, or whatever. The gov is allowed to do this though. What's the difference between this and the death penalty? In either case, the gov has more powers than its citizens.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    Hmmmmm....if citizens did this, it would be called kidnapping, or whatever. The gov is allowed to do this though. What's the difference between this and the death penalty? In either case, the gov has more powers than its citizens.
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    Re: Particulars

    Quote Originally Posted by Cristina View Post
    Emdash, here is something for you:

    Death Penalty

    This website shows that States that do not have the death penalty have lower murder rates than those States that do, which proves that the death penalty does not act as a deterant.



    From here

    Also see this site and click on 'Homicide Rates In The United States'. It takes you to a graph and shows which States have the highest murder rates. Louisiana is number one - and I believe this State has the death penalty.

    There are many other sources which all claim the same thing - that States with the death penalty have higher murder rates than those without.
    Shouldn't you take into consideration the amount of bleeding heart judges and politicians in those states? In some states people get off easier than in others, I'm sure.

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    Re: Particulars

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    maybe that's WHY they have the death penalty. because they have higher murder rates.
    Ya think?

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    Re: Particulars

    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So you agree that permanent incarceration is a better alternative than death penalty. Excellent. Glad you finally understand.
    Wrong.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I would actually support the government making such a choice as it would be done in direct defense of its citizens.
    Now you're contradicting yourself.

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