View Poll Results: Should Capital Punishment be supported?

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Thread: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The fact that "life in prison" does not actually mean "life in prison" is a separate and distinct issue. The issue at hand is the death penalty.
    I just added some more....

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    Why does no one care about the savagery inflicted on the victim? At least if you put the sonofabitch to death, he won't be doing it to anyone else.
    Justice is not about revenge. That is the only purpose of the Death Penalty. I have stated that ad nauseum in this thread. The only issue at hand is the one laid out in an earlier post about Govenrmental rights versus citizen rights.


    These emotional arguments regarding "savagery inflicted on the victim" are irrelevant to my logical argument.

    That is, unless you saying that emotional pain is reason enough for the Government to have the power kill its citizens. Is that what you are saying?
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The fact that "life in prison" does not actually mean "life in prison" is a separate and distinct issue. The issue at hand is the death penalty.
    And I stated why the death penalty was a good thing.

    If you think the gov. has no right to kill murderers, then we'll have to ban all wars, huh? Soldiers aren't murderers, but they do kill.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post

    That is, unless you saying that emotional pain is reason enough for the Government to have the power kill its citizens. Is that what you are saying?
    No, I find it to be a deterrent to more murders. You know as well as I do that alot are set free to kill again. There's something very wrong with that.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    I just added some more....
    Technically, you added some more irrelevancies and non-sequitors.

    What does that have to do with the argument about the Government killing its own Citizens? (Notice the carefgull word-choice throughout the thread? )




    P.S. Your accusation of "leftist" is nonsensical. How is it leftist to argue for less governmental power over its citizens, espeically against teh governemtns' right to murder it's citizens?



    P.P.S. Even though it is a red herring, non-sequitor argument based on your own incorrect assumptions regarding those who are anti-death penalty, I have already stated my feelings about govenrment funded abortions on this very thread. If you look, you shall find.
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    Immediate Termination

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    DNA links man to TV anchor's death, police say (ln)

    Is it possible to construct provisions of law which guarantee with 100% accuracy that the perpetrator commited the crime?

    What is the uncertainty here?

    Enact due process and promptly execute this maggot.




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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    No, I find it to be a deterrent to more murders. You know as well as I do that alot are set free to kill again. There's something very wrong with that.
    YEs, that is wrong, but irrelv ant to the discussion. Teh discussion is if the death penalty is justified. My calim is that teh Governemtn should not have the right to kill it's citizens in a premeditated fashion.

    Here is my logic:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Premise 1: The Government should not have more rights than the Citizens it exists for.

    Premise 2: The citizens do not have the right to kill other citizens in a premeditated fashion.

    Premise 3: The Death Penalty is killing in a premeditated fashion

    Conclusion: The government should NOT be allowed to give out the Death Penalty.

    My whole thing is that all emotionally ridden arguements are based on the concept of Vengeance. I can agree that teh perpetrator's of the crimes DESERVE TO DIE. I'm on board with that. I don't care about innocence, nor do I care about Cruelty, nor any of teh pother emotional arguments made by most anti-death penalty proponents.

    I only care about the issue of govenremntal power. I believe that the death penalty is grantign too much power to the government, and I always have.

    I've given my logic behind that. That is what needs to be discussed. If you disagree with my premises, then feel free to do so. Trying to take it dwn a different path, especially an emotionally based one, is pointless because it does nothing to discredit my logic.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Invayne View Post
    With all of the new technology they have today, I would say that rarely happens. (and I didn't mean they'd all be male, it's just a general term!)
    Have you read up much on Low Copy Number DNA evidence? Sorry to say that there are problems even with new technology and not even where LCN DNA is concerned.

    There is no 100% foolproof yet and so the Death Penalty can't be 100% correct for the victims concerned.

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    Re: Immediate Termination

    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
    --Is it possible to construct provisions of law which guarantee with 100% accuracy that the perpetrator commited the crime?

    What is the uncertainty here? --
    Yeah and in another case, the "guilty maggot" whose DNA linked him to a murder turned out to be 4 years old when the murder was committed.

    Heck yeah, kill all maggots and get someone else to say sorry later when the mistakes or real killer is caught...

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    I am torn on which side I am for this topic. As a mother I'm sure if my kids were killed I could be easily swayed to the direction of KILL KILL KILL!
    But for the most part I am pro life and have a hard time choosing to kill another person. I personally could not choose to end the life of another human being because I don't think it is my right to choose who gets to live or die.
    However, I have not been put in a situation where I have had to choose or had emotions that might make me choose.
    On the other side I can understand where people would want to keep the death penalty. Children not being able to be disciplined are showing what happens when there are no consequences. They don't listen because by law they don't have to. If you so much as hit them now, you're an abusive parent.
    So perhaps if you remove the consequence of the death penalty, people would be more likely to kill others because a life sentence in jail with the possibilty of parole is a better option "for them".

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