View Poll Results: Should Capital Punishment be supported?

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Thread: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The problem is ensuring that the head we're putting that bullet into is the correct head.
    The same problem can be said for locking up a person for the rest of their lives.

    What is worse... being innocent and dying or being innocent and sent to prison for 50 years with murderers and rapists and getting gang raped in the showers every day?
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I said "logical" when I meant "non-emotional". I should have been more clear.

    I don't think that the Death Penalty is barbaric at all. I certainly don't think that death is harsher than rape. In one, you are dead, in the other, you have to live a life after the act with all the horrible emotional and physical effects fo the act.
    I think most people would opt for the latter rather than the former.

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    The Death Penalty does benefit society... it rids society of those that cannot or will not choose to abide buy certain rules.
    So does incarceration.

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    Imprisonment does NOT benefit society at all... if forces us to pay for and care for those that cannot or will not choose to abide buy certain rules.
    It is cheaper to keep someone in prison for their natural lifespan than to pay for the endless appeals that are inherent with a capital punishment case. And the only way to change that would be to deny them their due process and risk executing even MORE innocent people.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I think most people would opt for the latter rather than the former.
    I wouldn't, but I'm a traditionalist.

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    So does incarceration.
    but it's not always as permanent.

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    It is cheaper to keep someone in prison for their natural lifespan than to pay for the endless appeals that are inherent with a capital punishment case.
    maybe it's worth it. I do think it's easier on an innocent person to die than to spend life in prison. plus with the extra appeals associated with death penalty cases, the innocent person who faces the death penalty has a much better chance of clearing his name than the innocent person given life.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Re the claims that nothing can be undone: OF COURSE nothing can literally be undone, that would be time travel. But partial compensation can be given for an erroneous jail sentence - most people spend most of their lives working - a monetary award, say double what the person would have earned, goes a long way to at least make up for the economic damage. But with the death penalty NO compensation is possible.

    As for the degradation to the killer of a defenseless man, that is probably subjective, but I think most people who aren't barbarians will grasp it, even those who nonetheless support the death penalty.
    I would see any compensation as a second slap in the face.

    After being falsely imprisoned nothing could make up for what happened, and to say that my "Troubles" are worth a monetary compensation? No. Not even close. I would not be worried about the economic health of my family, I have plenty to make sure that isnt the case. I am worried about the mental stability and the time lost. I am worried about my children growing up without a father, my wife going through life without a husband or with a new partner. I am worried about being removed from my life and being placed back into the society that condemned me for nothing.

    Put a bullet in my head, run me through the guillatine, zap me, inject me, hang me. But do not lock me up and expect anything to be "ok" ever.


    At least with death it's final. The damage from a long term and even possibly a short term prison sentence is life long. It never goes away. The condition (inmate wise) of those places are generally horrible. Pack mentality, dominance struggle, prison murder, prison rape, and all of the other disgusting material that makes for a good movie... there's a reason for the subject being touched on so often. Talk to someone who has been in a large prison facility.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The same problem can be said for locking up a person for the rest of their lives.
    Indeed. Our punishment system needs work.

    What is worse... being innocent and dying or being innocent and sent to prison for 50 years with murderers and rapists and getting gang raped in the showers every day?
    Given the rate of how often people are actually executed, it's pretty much the same. A drug dealer has a higher chance of being killed dealing drugs on the streets then on the nation's death row.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    When you have blood from a child who was just raped on the persons groin area you don't need a long trial.
    Its possible to just go straight to the bullet to the face.
    Look into his eyes and let the mofo see it coming.
    Not all cases are that cut and dry. Furthermore, a historical study of the death penalty in America over the past 50 years shows that it is rarely that simple. Not to mention that the numerous releases from death row show that we are in fact convicting innocent (of that crime) people.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not all cases are that cut and dry. Furthermore, a historical study of the death penalty in America over the past 50 years shows that it is rarely that simple. Not to mention that the numerous releases from death row show that we are in fact convicting innocent (of that crime) people.
    Of course. But I believe the point being made was that when it IS that cut and dry why bother giving them the satisfaction of sucking up resources?

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Of course. But I believe the point being made was that when it IS that cut and dry why bother giving them the satisfaction of sucking up resources?
    Who says that they do? The costs reported are averages. Some cases are easier to prove and some are harder.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    I would see any compensation as a second slap in the face.

    After being falsely imprisoned nothing could make up for what happened, and to say that my "Troubles" are worth a monetary compensation? No. Not even close. I would not be worried about the economic health of my family, I have plenty to make sure that isnt the case. I am worried about the mental stability and the time lost. I am worried about my children growing up without a father, my wife going through life without a husband or with a new partner. I am worried about being removed from my life and being placed back into the society that condemned me for nothing.

    Put a bullet in my head, run me through the guillatine, zap me, inject me, hang me. But do not lock me up and expect anything to be "ok" ever.


    At least with death it's final. The damage from a long term and even possibly a short term prison sentence is life long. It never goes away. The condition (inmate wise) of those places are generally horrible. Pack mentality, dominance struggle, prison murder, prison rape, and all of the other disgusting material that makes for a good movie... there's a reason for the subject being touched on so often. Talk to someone who has been in a large prison facility.
    Apparently most criminals in that position would disagree with you on the death penalty. Also, I've heard many times that wrongly convicted criminals, when they are freed, sue the state - apparently they disagree that compensation is a slap.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Apparently most criminals in that position would disagree with you on the death penalty. Also, I've heard many times that wrongly convicted criminals, when they are freed, sue the state - apparently they disagree that compensation is a slap.
    That's the beautiful thing about opinions then isnt it?

    I did not speak for anyone other than myself, and to be honest, them taking the money doesnt mean they are any better off than they would have been without the false imprisonment or dead.

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