View Poll Results: Should Capital Punishment be supported?

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  • It should be supported in both principle and practice.

    43 47.78%
  • Yes in principle, but not in practice due to the ambiguity of social bias.

    14 15.56%
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Thread: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Your comments reflect my feelings as well. The ONLY issue I have is watching murderers go free when there is no death penalty. If I could be assured that these killers would NEVER be released, the death penalty in my opinion becomes moot.
    The problem is, even if we can keep them away from the general population, they still pose a danger to other inmates and guards in the prisons, plus the fact that we have to keep feeding, clothing and apparently, paying for their cable TV for the rest of their lives.

    They're just not worth that.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    I've only ever heard two good arguments against the death penalty ("capital punishment" is a euphemism, and I don't like euphemisms.)

    1. It can never be "undone" or compensated for in case of a mistake.
    See the crap thing about that arguement is, you cannot undo anything. A person spending time in prison, no matter how long, is removed from his/her life and placed in a dangerous situation.

    Could a 21 year sitting out of a life sentence be considered "undone" If a person had young children or one on the way, that child would not know the parent save visits to the prison if allowed. The constant fear inside the institution for someone who is not a hardened criminal would be enough to constitute "inhumane" imo as well. Not to mention how that person would change over the course of those years.

    Meh, I can't exactly agree with the "cannot be undone" arguement as like I've stated before. I would rather die then spend any substantial period of my life in prison.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I'm confused. Cephus and Jamesrage admit we need to mitigate the death of innocents via capital punishment but they also want to excise much of the procedural framework that allows us to do just that (appeals process). Perhaps you can explain this contradiction in logic as I am quite perplexed.
    Agreed. There seems to be a indirect relationship between trial costs in proving innocence/guilt and executing innocents. The less we spend on trials, the more innocents get the can. The more we spend, the fewer.

    I frankly don't see a way of getting around in today's world. We either accept the high costs or we accept more innocents being executed to maintain the system as it is now.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Re the claims that nothing can be undone: OF COURSE nothing can literally be undone, that would be time travel. But partial compensation can be given for an erroneous jail sentence - most people spend most of their lives working - a monetary award, say double what the person would have earned, goes a long way to at least make up for the economic damage. But with the death penalty NO compensation is possible.

    As for the degradation to the killer of a defenseless man, that is probably subjective, but I think most people who aren't barbarians will grasp it, even those who nonetheless support the death penalty.

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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    This is my opinion, take it or leave it. We consider ourselves to be a civilized nation. We offer people the "American Dream" and have, at some points in history, been the pinnacle of Western Civilization. We believe that everyone is innocent until proven guilty and give everyone an opportunity to defend themselves and formulate a defense.

    To me, it seems wrong for such a country to partake in the extinguishing of lives. If someone is guilty, let them rot in prison. It would seem that that would be a far worse punishment then just killing them.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That is NOT an especially logical position. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but it's certainly not based on logic. It's just based on your preconception of what justice is or should be.

    Personally I think that the government should be less barbaric than criminals. At the very least, it shouldn't be even MORE barbaric. Yet that is exactly what you are suggesting. In the case of rapists, you want the government to kill someone who hasn't even killed anyone themselves. The punishment is even harsher than the crime. In the case of murder, you're at least on more solid ground in demanding their execution...but it's still rooted in emotion. It doesn't benefit society to execute them as opposed to imprisoning them.

    I said "logical" when I meant "non-emotional". I should have been more clear.

    I don't think that the Death Penalty is barbaric at all. I certainly don't think that death is harsher than rape. In one, you are dead, in the other, you have to live a life after the act with all the horrible emotional and physical effects fo the act.

    The Death Penalty is not based on emotion at all, at least not for me. No emotion...
    Just a logical and non-emotive extrapolation of cause and effect.

    The Death Penalty does benefit society... it rids society of those that cannot or will not choose to abide buy certain rules.
    Imprisonment does NOT benefit society at all... if forces us to pay for and care for those that cannot or will not choose to abide buy certain rules.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    The flaw in that logic is that it cost more to execute a prisoner than to keep in jail for life.
    A bullet in the back of the head does not cost much.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    A bullet in the back of the head does not cost much.
    The problem is ensuring that the head we're putting that bullet into is the correct head.
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    Re: Is Capital Punishment Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The problem is ensuring that the head we're putting that bullet into is the correct head.
    When you have blood from a child who was just raped on the persons groin area you don't need a long trial.
    Its possible to just go straight to the bullet to the face.
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