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    A right to NOT join a union?

    In many places, such as school systems or places of higher education, if a union is in place, employees must join it, regardless as to the preference of the employee.

    Do you have a right to NOT join a union?

    Why/why not?

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    I thought closed shops were illegal.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    In many places, such as school systems or places of higher education, if a union is in place, employees must join it, regardless as to the preference of the employee.

    Do you have a right to NOT join a union?

    Why/why not?
    I say yes you do have a right not to join a union. Unions do not own the company and therefore do not have right to dictate who a business can and can't hire.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    In many places, such as school systems or places of higher education, if a union is in place, employees must join it, regardless as to the preference of the employee.

    Do you have a right to NOT join a union?

    Why/why not?
    Professionally speaking as a teacher, you'd be pretty stupid not to join the union. Job security is very important when it comes to career choice, and it is even more important now since there has been a wave of budget cuts in public education, particularly in CA.
    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Professionally speaking as a teacher, you'd be pretty stupid not to join the union. Job security is very important when it comes to career choice, and it is even more important now since there has been a wave of budget cuts in public education, particularly in CA.
    I dont think you address edthe question:

    Do you have a right to NOT join a union?
    Why.why not?

    My significant other is a professor at a non-union university. In a non-union 'shop', you live/die by your job performance, which is how it should be.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I dont think you address edthe question:

    Do you have a right to NOT join a union?
    Why.why not?
    Sure, let's say you have a right to say no. Would any teachers choose it? Willingly? I doubt it.

    My significant other is a professor at a non-union university. In a non-union 'shop', you live/die by your job performance, which is how it should be.
    How do you assess a teacher's performance? Do you look at her student's grades? Do you look at her teaching style? Do you look at how much she's improved this year? or how much her student's improved this year?

    How can you measure incompetence of the teacher? On what basis can you fire him/her?
    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Sure, let's say you have a right to say no. Would any teachers choose it? Willingly? I doubt it.
    Seperate issues.
    Thanks for answering, tho.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Seperate issues.
    Thanks for answering, tho.
    Wait a minute, you didn't answer any of my questions....


    If your premise is that employees should live and die by their performance, how do you assess the performance of teachers?? How do they live and die by their performance?
    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    I wanted to vote YES BUT.

    Yes, you have the right in Minnesota to become employed if a place is union as a non-union member. BUT, the company may not be able to hire you due to a clause with the union.

    I grew up in a union family. My dad worked for the newspaper and I remember him going on strike a couple times. I think they're an antiquated system that protect employees to the employer's detriment sometimes. They did serve their purpose at the time. That's not to say that their past can't or shouldn't be honored. Just like the pony express was useful until better things came along.

    But as for the "right", this answer is first going to be contingent on the state laws, then local laws, then the business itself.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Wait a minute, you didn't answer any of my questions....
    You're right.

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