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A right to NOT join a union?

Do you have a right to NOT join a union


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In many places, such as school systems or places of higher education, if a union is in place, employees must join it, regardless as to the preference of the employee.

Do you have a right to NOT join a union?

Why/why not?
 
I thought closed shops were illegal.
 
In many places, such as school systems or places of higher education, if a union is in place, employees must join it, regardless as to the preference of the employee.

Do you have a right to NOT join a union?

Why/why not?

I say yes you do have a right not to join a union. Unions do not own the company and therefore do not have right to dictate who a business can and can't hire.
 
In many places, such as school systems or places of higher education, if a union is in place, employees must join it, regardless as to the preference of the employee.

Do you have a right to NOT join a union?

Why/why not?

Professionally speaking as a teacher, you'd be pretty stupid not to join the union. Job security is very important when it comes to career choice, and it is even more important now since there has been a wave of budget cuts in public education, particularly in CA.
 
Professionally speaking as a teacher, you'd be pretty stupid not to join the union. Job security is very important when it comes to career choice, and it is even more important now since there has been a wave of budget cuts in public education, particularly in CA.
I dont think you address edthe question:

Do you have a right to NOT join a union?
Why.why not?

My significant other is a professor at a non-union university. In a non-union 'shop', you live/die by your job performance, which is how it should be.
 
I dont think you address edthe question:

Do you have a right to NOT join a union?
Why.why not?

Sure, let's say you have a right to say no. Would any teachers choose it? Willingly? I doubt it.

My significant other is a professor at a non-union university. In a non-union 'shop', you live/die by your job performance, which is how it should be.

How do you assess a teacher's performance? Do you look at her student's grades? Do you look at her teaching style? Do you look at how much she's improved this year? or how much her student's improved this year?

How can you measure incompetence of the teacher? On what basis can you fire him/her?
 
Sure, let's say you have a right to say no. Would any teachers choose it? Willingly? I doubt it.
Seperate issues.
Thanks for answering, tho.
 
Seperate issues.
Thanks for answering, tho.

Wait a minute, you didn't answer any of my questions....


If your premise is that employees should live and die by their performance, how do you assess the performance of teachers?? How do they live and die by their performance?
 
I wanted to vote YES BUT.

Yes, you have the right in Minnesota to become employed if a place is union as a non-union member. BUT, the company may not be able to hire you due to a clause with the union.

I grew up in a union family. My dad worked for the newspaper and I remember him going on strike a couple times. I think they're an antiquated system that protect employees to the employer's detriment sometimes. They did serve their purpose at the time. That's not to say that their past can't or shouldn't be honored. Just like the pony express was useful until better things came along.

But as for the "right", this answer is first going to be contingent on the state laws, then local laws, then the business itself.
 
Yes and No. Nobody has a right to a specific job.

If the policy is that you must be Union, then you don't have any choice if you want that job.

You can always choose not to work there, so technically, you always have the right to not join the Union.

Nobody gets FORCED to join a Union, because they can always pick a different field of work.
 
Let me first say that I think unions have done some good and some bad in the country. I think they CAN do a lot of good and CAN help a lot with workers rights. I also think they CAN strongarm people into things though, which is unfair. I was helping to start a union when I worked as a river guide. I was also trying to help get EMTs into the Nursing union when I worked as an EMT.

That said, I have refused to work at a place before because it was a closed shop. (which I thought was illegal) If I had agreed to employment there, I would have been forced to pay union dues and be part of the union. If I had the CHOICE, I may well have joined the union voluntarily. But I flat out refused to have that choice taken away. I would not work at a place that required I join their union.
 
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Let me first say that I think unions have done some good and some bad in the country. I think they CAN do a lot of good and CAN help a lot with workers rights. I also think they CAN strongarm people into things though, which is unfair. I was helping to start a union when I worked as a river guide. I was also trying to help get EMTs into the Nursing union when I worked as an EMT.

That said, I have refused to work at a place before because it was a closed shop. (which I thought was illegal) If I had agreed to employment there, I would have been forced to pay union dues and be part of the union. If I had the CHOICE, I may well have joined the union voluntarily. But I flat out refused to have that choice taken away. I would not work at a place that required I join their union.

Actually, you exercised your right to choose. Good for you. :mrgreen:
 
Yes and No. Nobody has a right to a specific job.

If the policy is that you must be Union, then you don't have any choice if you want that job.

You can always choose not to work there, so technically, you always have the right to not join the Union.

Nobody gets FORCED to join a Union, because they can always pick a different field of work.
Ok, so...
Let us say that an employer required you to buy a gun in order to work at his business.
Same deal?
 
At government-run institutions (say, public schools), joining a union should be an option, since the government shouldn't support private organizations like unions anyway. At private schools, their choice.
 
One shouldnt be forced to join the union unless its a requirement under the employer NOT the union which is very unlikely anyway.

Many union construction companies are owned by people very proud to be union. My Father-in-law is an Electrician and his company is owned by the Union President.

It is company policy to only hire union workers.
 
You have the right to not join a union just as you have a right to get a union in place at any place of employment!
 
What about in a situation such as the Baltimore School System where you're peer pressured into joining TABCO (The teachers union) looked down upon as if you were a mooch by your peers if you don't join, and also:

If you join they take $30 from each paycheck, and if you dont, the state takes a $29 "fee" that is waved for TABCO members?
 
What about in a situation such as the Baltimore School System where you're peer pressured into joining TABCO (The teachers union) looked down upon as if you were a mooch by your peers if you don't join, and also:

If you join they take $30 from each paycheck, and if you dont, the state takes a $29 "fee" that is waved for TABCO members?

Woo hoo! an extra $1!
 
For some reason, people want to throw red herrings everywhere and avoid the real issue.

In some places, if you are going to be hired for any skilled labor, you HAVE to join a union. No ands, ifs, or buts, union membership is mandatory. Now, some would say "your crazy for not accepting it!", but, this cuts the fact that people do crazy things sometimes. Thing is, a worker should be mandated to join a union. Thats not freedom, thats just switching who owns you.
 
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