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    fyi Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Professionally speaking as a teacher, you'd be pretty stupid not to join the union. Job security is very important when it comes to career choice, and it is even more important now since there has been a wave of budget cuts in public education, particularly in CA.
    I know a lady who taught in a public (i.e. government-run) kindergarten. She refused to join the teachers' union in spite of a great deal of pressure to do so. She didn't lose any salary or benefits.

    Oh by the way, she was one of the best teachers in the system.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    This comes back to my claim about nobody havign a right to a specific job.
    But the question isn't really having a specific job, it's having a right not to be forced into a union. If the job you've had for 20 years unionizes and you voted against the union, you're stuck either being out of the job you've had for 20 years, and perhaps out of the only industry you're qualified to work in, or be part of a union you do not want to be a part of.

    That strikes me as about as stupid as saying gays have a right to get married, so long as they marry someone of the opposite sex.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    [QUOTE=Cephus;1057826326]But the question isn't really having a specific job, it's having a right not to be forced into a union. If the job you've had for 20 years unionizes and you voted against the union, you're stuck either being out of the job you've had for 20 years, and perhaps out of the only industry you're qualified to work in, or be part of a union you do not want to be a part of.[QUOTE]

    In that case, they should have a right to not join the union. I actually said that earlier: "If it's an aftger the fatc thing, where they have the job for years and they are beign literally forced to join (any group, Union, KKK, etc), then it's a different story altogether. In that case, the employee should have a right of refusal and receive no penalties for that refusal."

    I guesss it doesn't really sound as stupid as the right to get married argument when you actually READ the comments instead of INVENT them.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    In that case, they should have a right to not join the union. I actually said that earlier: "If it's an aftger the fatc thing, where they have the job for years and they are beign literally forced to join (any group, Union, KKK, etc), then it's a different story altogether. In that case, the employee should have a right of refusal and receive no penalties for that refusal."
    Unfortunately, while they should have that right, they don't in practice. When a shop unionizes, you either join or you lose your job.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Unfortunately, while they should have that right, they don't in practice. When a shop unionizes, you either join or you lose your job.
    People lose there jobs for a lot of bull**** reasons.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    People lose there jobs for a lot of bull**** reasons.
    Yeah, but that doesn't make it right.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yeah, but that doesn't make it right.
    Nor does it mean that the person has the right to keep their job. It sucks, but it's true.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    In many places, such as school systems or places of higher education, if a union is in place, employees must join it, regardless as to the preference of the employee.

    Do you have a right to NOT join a union?

    Why/why not?
    Thank God I now work in an open shop. Last place I worked was a closed shop and I was forced to give money to the blood sucking, do nothing union.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    In many places, such as school systems or places of higher education, if a union is in place, employees must join it, regardless as to the preference of the employee.

    Do you have a right to NOT join a union?

    Why/why not?
    Union members are not obligated to pay dues unrelated to collective bargaining and worker's interests ex: political campaigns or social activities.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    There's been alot of talk in this thread about "if you don't like it then get a different job or move".

    Well I'm here to tell ya that's a bunch of bull****. If I had the money to move I would. But I don't so I can't move. I have to accept whatever I can in order to just make ends meet. Regardless of my personal beliefs. Family comes first, which means bills come before pride.

    It's easy to tell people to "just get another job or move" when you have the money. It also shows a total lack of understanding how people like me struggle just to pay the bills. You try living on a net income of 12k per year and then tell me that crap.
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