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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    What about in a situation such as the Baltimore School System where you're peer pressured into joining TABCO (The teachers union) looked down upon as if you were a mooch by your peers if you don't join, and also:

    If you join they take $30 from each paycheck, and if you dont, the state takes a $29 "fee" that is waved for TABCO members?
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    What about in a situation such as the Baltimore School System where you're peer pressured into joining TABCO (The teachers union) looked down upon as if you were a mooch by your peers if you don't join, and also:

    If you join they take $30 from each paycheck, and if you dont, the state takes a $29 "fee" that is waved for TABCO members?
    Woo hoo! an extra $1!
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Woo hoo! an extra $1!
    You do understand that the fee is a bull**** incentive to think "What the hell I might as well join the union" right?
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    You do understand that the fee is a bull**** incentive to think "What the hell I might as well join the union" right?


    Woo Boo hoo... an extra $1?
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    For some reason, people want to throw red herrings everywhere and avoid the real issue.

    In some places, if you are going to be hired for any skilled labor, you HAVE to join a union. No ands, ifs, or buts, union membership is mandatory. Now, some would say "your crazy for not accepting it!", but, this cuts the fact that people do crazy things sometimes. Thing is, a worker should be mandated to join a union. Thats not freedom, thats just switching who owns you.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    For some reason, people want to throw red herrings everywhere and avoid the real issue.

    In some places, if you are going to be hired for any skilled labor, you HAVE to join a union. No ands, ifs, or buts, union membership is mandatory. Now, some would say "your crazy for not accepting it!", but, this cuts the fact that people do crazy things sometimes. Thing is, a worker should be mandated to join a union. Thats not freedom, thats just switching who owns you.
    Did you mean 'shouldn't'?

    As far as 'who' owns you a union keeps an employer from abusing you through unfair work hours, unfair labor practices, ignoring your rights as a worker, and motivates them to pay you a fair wage (approx. 30% more) with a fair benefits package. Those outside a union do not receive fair compensation nor fair representation.

    Additionally people forget that without the unions we wouldn't have a 40 hour work week, days off, overtime pay, benefits etc...these benefits certainly didn't start because an employer thought we deserved them but because the unions fought for our rights.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Yeah, well, that doesn't make unions exclusively warriors for the good and the light.

    Keep in mind, when the National Labor Relations Act was passed, section 8 listed unfair labor practices by companies. It was later amended, and that section 8 became section 8(a). Section 8(b) was added, listing unfair labor practices by unions. That list was much longer.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Sure, let's say you have a right to say no. Would any teachers choose it? Willingly? I doubt it.



    How do you assess a teacher's performance? Do you look at her student's grades? Do you look at her teaching style? Do you look at how much she's improved this year? or how much her student's improved this year?

    How can you measure incompetence of the teacher? On what basis can you fire him/her?
    Certainly not according to NEA standards.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by rsixing View Post
    Did you mean 'shouldn't'?

    As far as 'who' owns you a union keeps an employer from abusing you through unfair work hours, unfair labor practices, ignoring your rights as a worker, and motivates them to pay you a fair wage (approx. 30% more) with a fair benefits package. Those outside a union do not receive fair compensation nor fair representation.

    Additionally people forget that without the unions we wouldn't have a 40 hour work week, days off, overtime pay, benefits etc...these benefits certainly didn't start because an employer thought we deserved them but because the unions fought for our rights.
    these "unions" that brought all these benefits....which ones had mandatory membership?

    I like unions. When I get a job, I plan to be in a union, but I will NOT be forced to do it though, or else I will move.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    these "unions" that brought all these benefits....which ones had mandatory membership?

    I like unions. When I get a job, I plan to be in a union, but I will NOT be forced to do it though, or else I will move.
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