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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I think it's been sufficiently documented that you're just being unreasonable, so I'm not going to engage in your infantile claims of superiority.
    I think its pretty obvious that if you had any clue whatsoever as to how a union might stop outsourciing though proper organization, you would have offered it; the fact that you have, several times, refused to do so is a defacto concession of the point.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    I think its pretty obvious that if you had any clue whatsoever as to how a union might stop outsourciing though proper organization, you would have offered it; the fact that you have, several times, refused to do so is a defacto concession of the point.
    This is untrue. You asked me EXACTLY how to stop outsourcing, which is unanswerable. However, an obvious GENERAL answer is through strike action.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    This is untrue. You asked me EXACTLY how to stop outsourcing, which is unanswerable. However, an obvious GENERAL answer is through strike action.
    How does a stike keep a company from eliminating jobs and sending them elsewhere?

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    This is untrue. You asked me EXACTLY how to stop outsourcing, which is unanswerable. However, an obvious GENERAL answer is through strike action.
    The only way to prevent outsourcing is to make it cheaper and more convenient to produce the products here than it is to move operations elsewhere. If unions require a rate of pay so high and a working condition so ridiculous that it's cheaper and easier to move your operation, pay to ship both raw materials and finished product both ways and hire local labor to make your products, why wouldn't *EVERYONE* go offshore who can?

    Unions shoot themselves in the foot and then accept no blame for their idiotic actions.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The only way to prevent outsourcing is to make it cheaper and more convenient to produce the products here than it is to move operations elsewhere. If unions require a rate of pay so high and a working condition so ridiculous that it's cheaper and easier to move your operation, pay to ship both raw materials and finished product both ways and hire local labor to make your products, why wouldn't *EVERYONE* go offshore who can?

    Unions shoot themselves in the foot and then accept no blame for their idiotic actions.
    Good point. Akron Ohio USED to be a prosperous, and decent place to live. BEFORE the GoodYear Union kept striking for higher, and higher wages. The Company shut down, and moved elsewhere.

    Now Downtown Akron looks like Beruit... Thanks Unions.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    Good point. Akron Ohio USED to be a prosperous, and decent place to live. BEFORE the GoodYear Union kept striking for higher, and higher wages. The Company shut down, and moved elsewhere.

    Now Downtown Akron looks like Beruit... Thanks Unions.
    It all comes down to the fact that a global economy creates a global labor market, thus forcing everyone to compete against everyone else for jobs.

    Now, you can unionize and demand higher wages, etc, all you want, but in doing so you increase the risk of the company you work for moving your job elsewhere -- because, as much as you may think otherwise, you really AREN'T all that special, especially when someone else can do the same work for a considerable net savings in cost.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    It all comes down to the fact that a global economy creates a global labor market, thus forcing everyone to compete against everyone else for jobs.

    Now, you can unionize and demand higher wages, etc, all you want, but in doing so you increase the risk of the company you work for moving your job elsewhere -- because, as much as you may think otherwise, you really AREN'T all that special, especially when someone else can do the same work for a considerable net savings in cost.
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