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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post

    Besides, you make the invalid assumption that correlation implies causality.



    Welcome to real world pal. Do you think we have test countries we can perform scientific tests on? A time machine to go back and change a policy to see how it effects the result???....LOL

    The fact of the matter is, in the political realm all we have is correlation.

    I wish I had a dime for evey time some post grad student uttered that silly line "correlation does not equal causation!"...thinking how clever he is trying to shut down an argument..LOL

    I'm about to go pick up my kids at school. I sure hope my car is in the garage where I parked it? I mean how could I "KNOW" that.???The fact that I left my car in the garage did not cause my car to be there....LOL
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I don't think that unions should ever be concerned with the survival of a business. The point of the union is to defend the workers, not to make compromises that benefit the bosses at the expense of the workers.
    So the unions defend the workers right out of their jobs and that's fine with you? If you make absurd demands, the owner says the hell with it and everyone is now unemployed. Yeah, that sounds like a great job by the union and I'm sure those workers will all be proud that they've been so strongly defended as they pick up their unemployment checks.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus
    So the unions defend the workers right out of their jobs and that's fine with you?
    No, the unions defend the workers against losing their jobs...

    If you make absurd demands, the owner says the hell with it and everyone is now unemployed.
    Or the workers can strike and win their demands.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So the unions defend the workers right out of their jobs and that's fine with you? If you make absurd demands, the owner says the hell with it and everyone is now unemployed. Yeah, that sounds like a great job by the union and I'm sure those workers will all be proud that they've been so strongly defended as they pick up their unemployment checks.

    The union officials only negotiate the contracts. Then they come back to the rank and file and tell them what has been done. They recommend if a contract should be accepted or rejected but the final decision is by majority vote of the rank and file members. So if they lose their jobs it is because they voted to take the risk.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    No, the unions defend the workers against losing their jobs...



    Or the workers can strike and win their demands.
    And maybe those demands are so outrageous that the company goes out of business, and then the workers lose not only the demands that they've won, but their jobs.

    What part of this is so hard for you to understand?

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    And maybe those demands are so outrageous that the company goes out of business, and then the workers lose not only the demands that they've won, but their jobs.

    What part of this is so hard for you to understand?
    There ARE those who argue that a union should have a say in whether or not a company goes out of business. Fortunately, that view has never prevailed.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by moe View Post
    Extorting corrupt unions? My my you are not the realist you seem to think you are. How much do you pay for North Face Jackets? Nike? Rebook? I get em for 20 bucks a pair. We buy them from vendors that come to the ship so we are probably being ripped off by Chinese standards. NF gortex for 30 bucks. What do you pay? I get them in China. Where they sent all the textile jobs. Are they passing any of the savings on to you the American consumer? They do not have the big taxes, They do not have to pay decent wages with benifiets, No EPA or OSHA. They ship in bulk 40 foot conatiners at a about 2,400 US per container. Are they passing the savings on to the American consumer???

    Moe
    Your personal taste in clothing has nothing to do with Corrupt Unions Moe. Then you dredge up two of the most useless and inept Fed Departments,,,for what reason?

    I don't CARE about what the Chinese do in their Country. I DO care about mine, and what the Unions have done to the "Rust Belt"...

    Take care.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Of course like they do in Sweden. 78% unionization and a higher standard of living than the US.

    All those Swedes are gittin their "cut"....LOL

    Like this poor Swedish union stooge in the back row.
    Does he even know his socialist policies have made is country a hell hole? Poor guy..... I bet he's just craving to move to Red State.



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    Yeah,,,I'll bet he would. With a TAX Rate of over 80% going to the Govt. You go ahead and and let the Unions "pick your pocket" D/D...

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Welcome to real world pal. Do you think we have test countries we can perform scientific tests on? A time machine to go back and change a policy to see how it effects the result???....LOL

    The fact of the matter is, in the political realm all we have is correlation.
    Uhh . . .

    In the "real world," even if it's "all we have," correlation still does not imply causality.

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    Good God. And your side has the sheer audacity to arrogate unto itself a monopoly on "science" and "reason." The reason "post-grad students" say it is because it's correct.

    So, waaaaah. You lose. Two plus two will still equal four no matter how much you whine about it.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav
    And maybe those demands are so outrageous that the company goes out of business, and then the workers lose not only the demands that they've won, but their jobs.

    What part of this is so hard for you to understand?
    My point is that this does not happen.

    What part of that is so hard for you to understand?
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