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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    No, unions are dying because of their increased bureaucracy and lack of representation of their rank-and-file.

    Unions should not be concerned with the survival of a business for reasons previously stated; if a company threatens to move a factory overseas, it is because they want to put their burdens on the backs of the workers while retaining their own level of comfort. You don't see large executives take significant pay cuts or make such sacrifices in order to "save the business". They'll just take it out of the pockets of the ordinary worker and be done with it. They can't be bothered to care about us so why should we bother to care about them?
    Well it's the whole us vs them attitudes that has worked so well so far. Both labor and corporate have alot of the same things at stake.. How can you not see that good business is good for both. Your advesarial attitude is precisely why unions are losing power..............who cares about the success or failure of the compnay that pays my paycheck.....REALLY!!!!!!!!! OMG check this guy out folks. This guy truly represents unions more honestly than anyone I've seen!!! I could not have possibly made my case better than this guy unwittingly did.....
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by frazier991 View Post
    Well it's the whole us vs them attitudes that has worked so well so far. Both labor and corporate have alot of the same things at stake.. How can you not see that good business is good for both. Your advesarial attitude is precisely why unions are losing power..............who cares about the success or failure of the compnay that pays my paycheck.....REALLY!!!!!!!!! OMG check this guy out folks. This guy truly represents unions more honestly than anyone I've seen!!! I could not have possibly made my case better than this guy unwittingly did.....

    Maybe because this guy is right. Unions know what a companies profits and assets are. If a company is a small start up company the union does not say ok we want 100 bucks an hour with 364 paid vacation days. This is where the rank and file feel that a union may not be looking out for their best interests because a new contract may actually be very low in wages and weak in benefits. Lots of members do not want those jobs but would rather work the stronger contracts with better benefits and pay with well established companies.

    The unions and the companies sit down and discuss the future of both on a regular basis. Many of the training funds etc that the companies pay into the companies also have a say in how that training money is spent. In my union the union can not just select a training school at will. There is a committee that has a company representative as part of its membership.
    Our pension, health and welfare all have company representatives on the various committees.

    If a company actually has the cash to relocate overseas it is not poor and going broke. It has investment capital. Most modern day union leadership is college educated in labor relations and business management. These days the unions themselves have to operate as a business.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    In many places, such as school systems or places of higher education, if a union is in place, employees must join it, regardless as to the preference of the employee.

    Do you have a right to NOT join a union?

    Why/why not?
    Who in their right mind would WANT to? Anyone that takes the time to Read about the History of Union Corruption, would avoid them like the Plague.

    Page after Page: Organized Labor Corruption - Ask.com Search

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    Who in their right mind would WANT to? Anyone that takes the time to Read about the History of Union Corruption, would avoid them like the Plague.

    Page after Page: Organized Labor Corruption - Ask.com Search
    After this recent economic collapse do you think that the coperations are not corrupt? Our entire society is corrupt.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by moe View Post
    After this recent economic collapse do you think that the coperations are not corrupt? Our entire society is corrupt.

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    "Our Entire Society" is Corrupt? You voted for B.O.,,,didn't you Moe?

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    Who in their right mind would WANT to? Anyone that takes the time to Read about the History of Union Corruption, would avoid them like the Plague.

    Page after Page: Organized Labor Corruption - Ask.com Search
    Yes who in their right mind would want to earn on average 28% more than non union workers???

    http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/inde...3A+Wages+(2004)

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Yes who in their right mind would want to earn on average 28% more than non union workers???

    http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/inde...3A+Wages+(2004)
    That's the whole point then D/D? to "SUPPORT" the Extorting Corrupt Unions, as long as they "give" you a cut?

    Such Character.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    That's the whole point then D/D? to "SUPPORT" the Extorting Corrupt Unions, as long as they "give" you a cut?

    Such Character.

    Extorting corrupt unions? My my you are not the realist you seem to think you are. How much do you pay for North Face Jackets? Nike? Rebook? I get em for 20 bucks a pair. We buy them from vendors that come to the ship so we are probably being ripped off by Chinese standards. NF gortex for 30 bucks. What do you pay? I get them in China. Where they sent all the textile jobs. Are they passing any of the savings on to you the American consumer? They do not have the big taxes, They do not have to pay decent wages with benifiets, No EPA or OSHA. They ship in bulk 40 foot conatiners at a about 2,400 US per container. Are they passing the savings on to the American consumer???

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    That's the whole point then D/D? to "SUPPORT" the Extorting Corrupt Unions, as long as they "give" you a cut?

    Such Character.
    Of course like they do in Sweden. 78% unionization and a higher standard of living than the US.

    All those Swedes are gittin their "cut"....LOL

    Like this poor Swedish union stooge in the back row.
    Does he even know his socialist policies have made is country a hell hole? Poor guy..... I bet he's just craving to move to Red State.



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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Of course like they do in Sweden. 78% unionization and a higher standard of living than the US.
    And higher unemployment.

    Besides, you make the invalid assumption that correlation implies causality.


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