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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    What's the cost of living in Idaho?
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by frazier991 View Post
    I'm not sure, but it is lower than many other places. But our cost of living is also much lower. Drive around Boise sometime and try to find a ghetto or a slum.
    Interesting.

    I'll admit I'm biased. I'm in a union that has already gotten me more money straight-up than I'll ever pay them in dues (two lawsuits on unrelated issues that both resulted in large cash settlements to their members) so it's hard for me to feel disincentivized towards union membership.

    That being said, how would my wages go up exactly without them? It would open the field to more potential employees and increase the supply of cheap labor to my employer while diminishing said employer's incentive to provide benefits.

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    Like I said, find me a real "ghetto" in Boise. The quality of life here is such that we have mass migration here especially from California. The per-capita income in California is much higher. People don't hate living here, and right to work has never been repealed-and won't be. If for no other reason, we in Idaho are very independant minded, especially when it comes to being forced to pay for someone else's politics. People here don't like being told what political causes they must support with their union dues. That alone will keep this state free.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_Grey View Post
    That being said, how would my wages go up exactly without them?
    Your wages would depend on your job performance and the labor market.
    Are you afraid you can't compete?

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Your wages would depend on your job performance and the labor market.
    Are you afraid you can't compete?
    Not in the slightest, but studies show that hard work and skill are often far less linked to unregulated pay than one's ability to schmooze and ask for what one wants effectively. I don't like the idea of a guy who does the same job as me being able to just talk his way into a greater compensation without doing anything better.

    And my point is that de-unionizing opens the labor market such that it would make conditions indisputably less favorable for most workers. How would that ever be to their benefit?

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_Grey View Post
    Not in the slightest, but studies show that hard work and skill are often far less linked to unregulated pay than one's ability to schmooze and ask for what one wants effectively. I don't like the idea of a guy who does the same job as me being able to just talk his way into a greater compensation without doing anything better.
    Do you like getting paid the same as the guy who slacks off and owes his same-as-you wage and benefits package to the mere fact that you and he are in a union?

    And my point is that de-unionizing opens the labor market such that it would make conditions indisputably less favorable for most workers. How would that ever be to their benefit?
    It would be less favorable to the slackers and more favorable to the skilled and motivated - as it should be.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Do you like getting paid the same as the guy who slacks off and owes his same-as-you wage and benefits package to the mere fact that you and he are in a union?


    It would be less favorable to the slackers and more favorable to the skilled and motivated - as it should be.
    ....and less favorable for those that would force you to support political causes and campaigns you oppose.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by frazier991 View Post
    ....and less favorable for those that would force you to support political causes and campaigns you oppose.
    Well, sure -- unions are interested in getting the best deal that they can (that is, the most compensation for the least work) for their memebers in as much as doing so gives them the opportunity to gain and retain as much political power as possible.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Do you like getting paid the same as the guy who slacks off and owes his same-as-you wage and benefits package to the mere fact that you and he are in a union?
    Why would I care? Both from the selfish perspective of "I'm getting more money" and from the utilitarian perspective of "we're protecting each other" I have no reason to complain.

    What's more, if someone is being a real dick, I'm allowed to redress the issue THROUGH the union. It can be my tool, and I have far more influence as a union member than I do as an employee, particularly for an organization as large as the one that employs me.

    It would be less favorable to the slackers and more favorable to the skilled and motivated - as it should be.
    There's an illusion in this country that must be dispelled. While success is rare WITHOUT hard work, this does not mean that the inverse is true. Hard work does not always equal success, and does not mean you'll end up better than parasites, whether they're protected by the policies conservatives support or the policies liberals support.

    As a rule, I'm far more comfortable supporting ten barely employable slackers for the protection it afford 90 hard workers than I am supporting ONE Paris Hilton at the expense of 99 hard workers.

    And again, in both circumstances, schmooze has far more to do with success than effort.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Well, sure -- unions are interested in getting the best deal that they can (that is, the most compensation for the least work) for their memebers in as much as doing so gives them the opportunity to gain and retain as much political power as possible.
    They also set the possibility for a minimum standard to exist. In a non-union environment, even if every worker busts their ass, the employer can just dump more work on them and keep raising their standards for raises to urnealistic levels (look at commissioned retail employment; the bar always raises on sales.)

    With a union, you can realistically get together with your boss and determine, definitively, just what a days work SHOULD consist of. There is no great moral evil in that. Work can and should be demanding and challenging, but it shouldn't be increased in volume just on some vague principle about work ethic.

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