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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Well, if you wanna be a pathetic scab of a man and refuse to fight alongside your brothers in the quite necessary struggle to maintain even the most basic protections of the working class, that's fine.

    You're free to be a pathetic scab, to grovel at the feet of the owners under the assumption that you're special, that you someday will get to be the oppressor rather than the oppressed as a reward for being such a good dog.

    Since the 70's we've been in a state of absolute regression. Workers get a worse and worse deal. We get paid less to do more work. We're buried in debt up to our eyeballs. Our benefits and pensions are disappearing. If you're a production worker and you still think that production workers have it too easy, and that the owners have it too rough, that they need help to get another jet, I guess by your conscience you should refuse to be in a union. Can't hold that against you.

    Of course, if some of your comrades characterize you as a pathetic scab bastard because of your decision, shun you in the workplace or do pretty much whatever else to voice their displeasure with you, well, I couldn't hold that against them either. Fair is fair.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    Well, if you wanna be a pathetic scab of a man...
    The venerable ad-hom, the bastion from which those that have nothing to say proudly do so.

    Beyond that, this is just another example how liberals are the champion of 'choice", so long as it is a choice they approve of.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    Well, if you wanna be a pathetic scab of a man and refuse to fight alongside your brothers in the quite necessary struggle to maintain even the most basic protections of the working class, that's fine.

    You're free to be a pathetic scab, to grovel at the feet of the owners under the assumption that you're special, that you someday will get to be the oppressor rather than the oppressed as a reward for being such a good dog.

    Since the 70's we've been in a state of absolute regression. Workers get a worse and worse deal. We get paid less to do more work. We're buried in debt up to our eyeballs. Our benefits and pensions are disappearing. If you're a production worker and you still think that production workers have it too easy, and that the owners have it too rough, that they need help to get another jet, I guess by your conscience you should refuse to be in a union. Can't hold that against you.

    Of course, if some of your comrades characterize you as a pathetic scab bastard because of your decision, shun you in the workplace or do pretty much whatever else to voice their displeasure with you, well, I couldn't hold that against them either. Fair is fair.
    You mean the union thugs won't be my friends!? Oh, woe is me!

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    I won't vote because this question is meaningless in a vacuum. If a company hires a UNION shop and has a contract with them, and you want to work for that company, no, you do not have a right to not join because that's a breach of contract on the company's part by choosing to hire you.

    On the other hand, if you just mean you're joe-schmoe regular and a union is formed where you work, you have every right not to join, nor could the company fire you for not joining. It's all a question of whether or not there is an existing contract.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Here in SD we're a "right to work" state because we recognize a person's right to earn a living is far greater than the unions right to regulate the work environment.

    Personal freedom FTW
    We have RTW in Idaho which is in no danger of being repealed. Our cost of living is lower and our economy tends to fare better than elsewhere. As long as unions force you to support their political candidates and causes with your dues, RTW will not only continue, but increase.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by frazier991 View Post
    We have RTW in Idaho which is in no danger of being repealed. Our cost of living is lower and our economy tends to fare better than elsewhere. As long as unions force you to support their political candidates and causes with your dues, RTW will not only continue, but increase.
    What's the average salary where you are? Not an accusatory question, just curious.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_Grey View Post
    What's the average salary where you are? Not an accusatory question, just curious.
    34th in per Capita Income.

    When are the benefits of thes right wing policies going to kick in?

    I mean it's been over 200 years now and Blue States are still out pacing you in income, education, divorce rates, teenage births, etc.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_Grey View Post
    What's the average salary where you are? Not an accusatory question, just curious.
    I'm not sure, but it is lower than many other places. But our cost of living is also much lower. Drive around Boise sometime and try to find a ghetto or a slum.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    I mean it's been over 200 years now and Blue States are still out pacing you in income, education, divorce rates, teenage births, etc.
    So, if red states were 95% white, like most of the blue states you're talking about, we would be much better off?
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    34th in per Capita Income.

    When are the benefits of thes right wing policies going to kick in?
    What's the cost of living in Idaho?

    I mean it's been over 200 years now and Blue States are still out pacing you in income, education, divorce rates, teenage births, etc.
    The Blue States are also the best at going bankrupt.

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