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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Of course everyone has a right not to join a union.

    But your real question is does a union have the right to keep those not in the union from performing the "contracted" work?

    In States that have right-to-work laws...No..they are not allowed to that unless the industry fall under the Railroad Labor Act

    22 States mostly in the South and West are right-to-work States....28 States are not.

    Those who favor right-to-work will point to the economic growth in these States as they attract companies seeking to pay workers less.

    On the other hand would they enjoy this advantage if every State was non right-to-work State?

    Take Texas for instance. High growth State....but among the highest uninsured rates, low end on per capita income, per capita wealth, few Elite Universities for it's size, students perform below the Nation in SAT/ACT scores. Workers have few rights under State law.

    Be careful what you wish for.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Of course everyone has a right not to join a union.

    But your real question is does a union have the right to keep those not in the union from performing the "contracted" work?

    In States that have right-to-work laws...No..they are not allowed to that unless the industry fall under the Railroad Labor Act

    22 States mostly in the South and West are right-to-work States....28 States are not.

    Those who favor right-to-work will point to the economic growth in these States as they attract companies seeking to pay workers less.

    On the other hand would they enjoy this advantage if every State was non right-to-work State?
    Right now though the cost of living in a lot of the right to work states is less than that of the former.

    Paying less doesn't always equal a lesser life style.
    I think if all else were equal, I would answer yes.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Sweden in 85% unionized and has one of the highest standards of living in the World...above that of the USA. (who scores high with the help our huge wealth of natrural resources)

    So when people tell you unions make things worth ...that's pure right wing B.S.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Here's a clever and apparently untried idea for you teachers: try establishing job security through value-for-pay. In other words, turn out a quality product (educated, or at least less grotesquely ignorant children,) and you can then move out of the preposterous practice of a school system run by the State, into the more rational field of private education.

    Leave extortion to criminals.
    OK, this sounds good.
    And the parents responsibility ?? Shall we just forget about that ??
    Who does the child spend the most time with ? If the child has no parents ( many do not) ,are you willing to pay for the nanny expense ?

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Sweden in 85% unionized and has one of the highest standards of living in the World...above that of the USA. (who scores high with the help our huge wealth of natrural resources)

    So when people tell you unions make things worth ...that's pure right wing B.S.
    Please reiterate.
    I agree on the Sweden bit and I have no respect for the people in the right wing....
    And I was a member of the United Steelworkers of America, a good union, IMO..

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    In many places, such as school systems or places of higher education, if a union is in place, employees must join it, regardless as to the preference of the employee.

    Do you have a right to NOT join a union?

    Why/why not?
    Seeing how the unions do not own the company that you are seeking employment at it is up the company owners whether or not to make joining a union a condition of your employment at their company. People who do not own the company have no business nor a right to force you to join a union.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Of course everyone has a right not to join a union.

    But your real question is does a union have the right to keep those not in the union from performing the "contracted" work?
    Seeing how the unions do not own the companies the answer should be no regardless of the state. Unions should have no right what so ever to dictate whether or not a non-union member can perform contracted work.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    OK, this sounds good.
    And the parents responsibility ?? Shall we just forget about that ??
    Who does the child spend the most time with ? If the child has no parents ( many do not) ,are you willing to pay for the nanny expense ?
    Thinkest thou that I would hold the parents of callow youth blameless for their bent ways?

    Shame! Knowest thou though, that this in no way frees the fetters of the teacher’s own role.

    Often have I seen , the poor efforts of those charged with dispensing wisdom and learning unto the young.

    Verily, I say unto thee, that many have been dismissive of all save their own comfort and prestige, saying that this one should be in a special class, and that one should be medicated.

    And Lo! The many voices of unionized teachers have cried unto the World, "we could but teach were the wealth of nations lavished further upon our institutions and our persons, for who could but teach a child to read with but fifteen thousand dollars per student!" And this I have found detestable in mine ears.

    For thou shouldst knowest that many labor under greater burdens with far lesser wages and much less promise of reward than the public school teacher, and yet they complaineth not.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Seeing how the unions do not own the companies the answer should be no regardless of the state. Unions should have no right what so ever to dictate whether or not a non-union member can perform contracted work.
    I think that typically, union shops are bargained into a contract. For example there are open shops in states that are not right to work states. In this sense, an agreement to only contract union workers means that the business owners have agreed to only hire union workers. Right to work is really a restriction on the business owner because they cannot legally agree to only contract union workers. In non right to work states, unions don't have a right to dictate the terms of the contract. They just have a right to bargain for a broader set of terms in a contract.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Please reiterate.
    I agree on the Sweden bit and I have no respect for the people in the right wing....
    And I was a member of the United Steelworkers of America, a good union, IMO..
    Well here is the sourcing on their unionization rates...I was mistaken...it's 78%

    PPI: World's Most Unionized Countries: Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Belgium

    I believe the USA is around 13%?

    And here is the link to high standard of living Countries.[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index[/ame]

    ...all of the these countries ranked above the USA have universal health care and higher rates of unionization.
    Last edited by dragondad; 08-30-09 at 07:00 PM.

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