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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Professionally speaking as a teacher, you'd be pretty stupid not to join the union. Job security is very important when it comes to career choice, and it is even more important now since there has been a wave of budget cuts in public education, particularly in CA.
    Here's a clever and apparently untried idea for you teachers: try establishing job security through value-for-pay. In other words, turn out a quality product (educated, or at least less grotesquely ignorant children,) and you can then move out of the preposterous practice of a school system run by the State, into the more rational field of private education.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by rsixing View Post
    You have the right to not join a union just as you have a right to get a union in place at any place of employment!
    I've never thought of the freedom to establish a union in a private business, much less a government office as a right, so much as a capitulation to thugery.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    In many places, such as school systems or places of higher education, if a union is in place, employees must join it, regardless as to the preference of the employee.

    Do you have a right to NOT join a union?

    Why/why not?
    Do you? In most cases, no.
    Should you? In most cases, yes.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Sure, let's say you have a right to say no. Would any teachers choose it? Willingly? I doubt it.
    I know several high school teachers who can't stand the fact that their union protects incompetent teachers and resent the fact that they have to pay dues. They would certainly choose to not be part of the union if they could.

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    How can you measure incompetence of the teacher? On what basis can you fire him/her?
    That would be up to the superintendent / dean / school board / whoever.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Unions have pretty much outlived their usefulness in my opinion. I mean with all the government regulations and laws in effect to protect the worker, what do you really need Unions for? When I worked at GM Electromotive I saw how wasteful and useless they could really be.

    I rank it with things like affirmative action. May have been useful at one time, but that time is long gone.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    In many places, such as school systems or places of higher education, if a union is in place, employees must join it, regardless as to the preference of the employee.

    Do you have a right to NOT join a union?

    Why/why not?
    Here in SD we're a "right to work" state because we recognize a person's right to earn a living is far greater than the unions right to regulate the work environment.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    In many places, such as school systems or places of higher education, if a union is in place, employees must join it, regardless as to the preference of the employee.

    Do you have a right to NOT join a union?

    Why/why not?
    This sort of thing is illegal in Virginia. It should be illegal in every state.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    I've have seen unions transform low-paying jobs without security into middle-class jobs with benefits. On average wages in unionized workplaces are higher than in non-unionized workplaces that are in the same economic sector.

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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    This sort of thing is illegal in Virginia. It should be illegal in every state.
    Unfortunately, it's not. In most states, if a workplace is union, they cannot hire anyone who is not also willing to join the union, in most cases they don't even ask when they hire you, you're just expected to join and that's that. There are also industries where you are almost entirely unable to work in said industry without being a part of their various unions.

    It should be illegal, it's just not.
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    Re: A right to NOT join a union?

    Quote Originally Posted by JimboJ View Post
    I've have seen unions transform low-paying jobs without security into middle-class jobs with benefits. On average wages in unionized workplaces are higher than in non-unionized workplaces that are in the same economic sector.
    There are also fewer of them, and those workplaces are generally less profitable than their competitors. Whenever you artificially raise the price of something (e.g. labor) above the market price, it will create a surplus.
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