View Poll Results: Is Obama going to take our guns?

Voters
34. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes, it's a fact Obama will take our guns! TO ARMS! TO ARMS!

    8 23.53%
  • No, this is a fear based rhetoric of the right to smear the upcoming Obama administration!

    9 26.47%
  • Any administration has the potential to violate our 2nd Amendment rights!

    10 29.41%
  • I'm not worried but I will be watching.

    7 20.59%
Page 9 of 12 FirstFirst ... 7891011 ... LastLast
Results 81 to 90 of 115

Thread: Obama and gun-ownership...

  1. #81
    Banned Goobieman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Last Seen
    03-22-15 @ 12:36 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    17,343

    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I think we will probably see legislation regarding the expired assault weapons ban. Outside of that, no, I don't think Obama will sign any gun bans into law
    So... you agree that Obama will sign at least one gun ban into law -- that he will ban at least some guns.

    How then does the concern that Obama will ban guns qualify as fearmongering?

  2. #82
    Norville Rogers
    Kernel Sanders's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Last Seen
    07-23-12 @ 08:20 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,730

    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So... you agree that Obama will sign at least one gun ban into law -- that he will ban at least some guns.

    How then does the concern that Obama will ban guns qualify as fearmongering?
    If people would state their concerns about assault weapons that would be reasonable. Fearmongering starts when people start going on about blanket gun bans, think that Obama will work to negate or reinterpret the 2nd, etc. As I've said many times, there are legitimate second ammendment concerns with an Obama administration. This does not mean that the crap the far right is spewing is accurate or rational. When people are screaming about Obama taking their guns, they aren't referring to their AK

  3. #83
    Filmmaker Lawyer Patriot
    Harshaw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:48 PM
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    21,968

    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    If people would state their concerns about assault weapons that would be reasonable.
    Which is what I did. I referred to the Brady Act and the Assault Weapons Ban, the AWB already having been re-introduced and was so within weeks of the Democrats taking power in Congress.

    Fearmongering starts when people start going on about blanket gun bans, think that Obama will work to negate or reinterpret the 2nd, etc.
    When did I do any of that?

    As I've said many times, there are legitimate second ammendment concerns with an Obama administration.
    Yes, there are, and I pointed them out -- but according to you, it was "fearmongering."

    This does not mean that the crap the far right is spewing is accurate or rational. When people are screaming about Obama taking their guns, they aren't referring to their AK
    I didn't say anything about that. Oh, and some of them in fact are.
    2001-2008: Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
    2009-2016: Dissent is the highest form of racism.
    2017-? (Probably): Dissent is the highest form of misogyny.

  4. #84
    Banned Goobieman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Last Seen
    03-22-15 @ 12:36 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    17,343

    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    If people would state their concerns about assault weapons that would be reasonable. Fearmongering starts when people start going on about blanket gun bans, think that Obama will work to negate or reinterpret the 2nd, etc.
    Well to be fair -- if you state that "Obama will ban guns", and he only bans one class of guns, your statement is still correct.

    Obama will most certainly ban 'assault weapons'. He'll also support federal legislation that backs up minicupal gun handgun bans, and sign any bill to that efefct. He'll support licensing and registration at the federal level and sign any bill to that effect. He'll support a national ban (of some sort) on concealed carry and sign any bill to that effect.

    These statements do not qualify as fearmongering as they stem from his own statements.

    Given that, the concern from the pro-gun side is well-founded.

  5. #85
    Norville Rogers
    Kernel Sanders's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Last Seen
    07-23-12 @ 08:20 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,730

    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Well to be fair -- if you state that "Obama will ban guns", and he only bans one class of guns, your statement is still correct.
    It comes down to the intention of the speaker. That same sentence can have an implied "some" or "all" depending on the context. Once again, not everybody who states their concerns about the 2nd is fear mongering

    Obama will most certainly ban 'assault weapons'. He'll also support federal legislation that backs up minicupal gun handgun bans, and sign any bill to that efefct. He'll support licensing and registration at the federal level and sign any bill to that effect. He'll support a national ban (of some sort) on concealed carry and sign any bill to that effect.

    These statements do not qualify as fearmongering as they stem from his own statements.

    Given that, the concern from the pro-gun side is well-founded.
    Some of it is, some of it isn't. I'm done repeating myself

  6. #86
    Filmmaker Lawyer Patriot
    Harshaw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:48 PM
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    21,968

    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    I'm pretty sure Kernel Sanders read much, much more into what I wrote than what was actually there.

    Which, I suppose, might make him a fearmonger about fearmongering.
    2001-2008: Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
    2009-2016: Dissent is the highest form of racism.
    2017-? (Probably): Dissent is the highest form of misogyny.

  7. #87
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    151,839

    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    It comes down to the intention of the speaker. That same sentence can have an implied "some" or "all" depending on the context. Once again, not everybody who states their concerns about the 2nd is fear mongering



    Some of it is, some of it isn't. I'm done repeating myself
    What isn't well founded? Do you understand the concept of precedent. If a gun can be banned merely because of cosmetic features or looks then the precedent has been set to ban guns for almost any reasons. "assault weapons"-meaning military styled rifles-have a very low usage in crime. If they can be banned then clearly the anti-self defense hoplophobes will then say we have to ban more guns since the ban on "assault weapons" did not decrease crime.
    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

  8. #88
    Norville Rogers
    Kernel Sanders's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Last Seen
    07-23-12 @ 08:20 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,730

    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    What isn't well founded? Do you understand the concept of precedent. If a gun can be banned merely because of cosmetic features or looks then the precedent has been set to ban guns for almost any reasons. "assault weapons"-meaning military styled rifles-have a very low usage in crime. If they can be banned then clearly the anti-self defense hoplophobes will then say we have to ban more guns since the ban on "assault weapons" did not decrease crime.
    I'm not buying the slippery slope here. The pro-gun lobby is thankfully strong enough that I don't view that as likely.

  9. #89
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    151,839

    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I'm not buying the slippery slope here. The pro-gun lobby is thankfully strong enough that I don't view that as likely.
    Don't buy it. Just look at various examples. Brits were told to register pistols. they did. One nut case shoots a bunch of kids in Dunblane and all legal pistols are banned. Check out "assault weapons" in NJ and Kalifornia.

    Once a person has accepted the faith based belief that gun control makes society safer, when some anti gun scheme fails to deter crime, the true believers demand praying more.
    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Why would you not want to register your weapon?
    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

  10. #90
    Professor
    Shewter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Puget Sound
    Last Seen
    02-21-13 @ 08:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    1,995

    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it

    Clinton caused

    1) the cost of normal capacity magazines to quadruple or more in price


    2) By banning the import of the fairly high quality but inexpensive chinese/PLA ammo, he drove up the cost of shooting for those who shoot common arms in 223, 9mm, and 7.62X39

    3) by banning the import of foreign made guns he drove up the price of those in the USA


    can any of you gun haters tell us why there should be a 10 round limit on magazines when civilian police departments issue 15-18 round magazines for self defensive use to their civilian officers?

    FN Five-seveN

    Standard Capacity - 20+1

    Ammunition - 5.7x28

    Don't ban my toys!

Page 9 of 12 FirstFirst ... 7891011 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •