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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by rsixing View Post
    First you would have to prove the gov'ts reasons for trying to ban one class of commonly owned guns are "idiotic" and two what exactly is meant by "commonly owned guns".
    15 shot magazine handguns are pretty common, THe MI carbine is on the McCarthy list for banning. The US GOVERNMENT through what was a government agency until 1995 or so-the Dept of Civilian Marksmanship-has sold hundreds of thousands to citizens.

    Banning a gun because it holds X amount of ammo or has a bayonet lug is silly and not a single study found that the clinton gun ban did not have a single useful effect upon crime.


    The gun ban was to set the stage for future bans and was designed to punish the groups that voted against clinton.

    Let's cut the crap here-

    1) why are liberals often in favor of banning guns and

    2) justify the proposed gun ban (HR 1022)
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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by rsixing View Post
    You're free to participate in the panic buying TD. That's your right. Personally, again, it's Y2K and visqueen and duct tape to me. Pure, unbridled panic based on right wing fomented fear and not something I'm buying into. And it's not because I'm a liberal either. I'm ****ing retired Army and I've suffered, spent the majority of my adult life protecting the Constitution and its Amendments, my nation and my peoples. So don't for one instant believe my position is based on politics.



    Wait a minute. So in one sentence you're claiming Obama's calling for "complete bans" (you still haven't provided proof) and in the next stating you're don't know if he will? So it's just a fear then. Really. Not really something that's guaranteed to happen when Obama becomes President, or even guaranteed during his administration. I guess just a hunch? A gut feeling? Fear. Plain and simple man. Plain and simple.
    You obviously are clueless about history.

    Clinton was less a gun hater than Obama. You appear too dim to understand that if people wait until Obama bans stuff they won't be able to get it or they will have to pay extremely inflated amounts for it


    The Dem ticket has both called for draconian restrictions on guns. The speaker of the house is a major league gun hater who has called for draconian bans. So tell me, is it PARANOID for gun owners to plan for a gun ban now?

    SInce you voted for Obama and proudly proclaim your support for him why are you so ignorant as to his positions? A quick google search will reveal that he has called for the bans I speak of.
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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    15 shot magazine handguns are pretty common, THe MI carbine is on the McCarthy list for banning. The US GOVERNMENT through what was a government agency until 1995 or so-the Dept of Civilian Marksmanship-has sold hundreds of thousands to citizens.

    Banning a gun because it holds X amount of ammo or has a bayonet lug is silly and not a single study found that the clinton gun ban did not have a single useful effect upon crime.


    The gun ban was to set the stage for future bans and was designed to punish the groups that voted against clinton.

    Let's cut the crap here-

    1) why are liberals often in favor of banning guns and

    2) justify the proposed gun ban (HR 1022)
    Liberals, IMO, are often in favor of banning certain weapons because they see little reasoning to own large calibered semi and automatic weapons for protection, or hunting.



    Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007 - Reinstates for ten years repealed criminal provisions regarding assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices (the assault weapons ban).
    Revises the definition of "semiautomatic assault weapon" to include conversion kits (for converting a firearm to such a weapon) and any semiautomatic rifle or pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and that has specified characteristics, including a telescoping stock.
    Prohibits the transfer of such a weapon except through a licensed dealer or a state or local law enforcement agency, subject to specified requirements. Directs the Attorney General to: (1) establish and maintain a record of the make, model, and date of manufacture of any such weapon which the Attorney General is made aware has been used in relation to a crime, and of the nature and circumstances of the crime involved; and (2) annually submit the record to Congress and make it available to the public.
    Prohibits: (1) the transfer of any assault weapon with a large capacity ammunition feeding device; and (2) a licensed manufacturer, importer, or dealer who transfers such a device that was manufactured on or before this Act's enactment from failing to certify to the Attorney General, within 60 days of the transfer date, that the device was manufactured on or before that date. Sets forth penalties for violations.
    Prohibits: (1) the transfer of such a weapon or device to a juvenile; and (2) the importation of such a device.


    Here's a summary. You tell me what you find so egregious about it?

    Full text here

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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by rsixing View Post
    Liberals, IMO, are often in favor of banning certain weapons because they see little reasoning to own large calibered semi and automatic weapons for protection, or hunting.



    Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007 - Reinstates for ten years repealed criminal provisions regarding assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices (the assault weapons ban).
    Revises the definition of "semiautomatic assault weapon" to include conversion kits (for converting a firearm to such a weapon) and any semiautomatic rifle or pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and that has specified characteristics, including a telescoping stock.
    Prohibits the transfer of such a weapon except through a licensed dealer or a state or local law enforcement agency, subject to specified requirements. Directs the Attorney General to: (1) establish and maintain a record of the make, model, and date of manufacture of any such weapon which the Attorney General is made aware has been used in relation to a crime, and of the nature and circumstances of the crime involved; and (2) annually submit the record to Congress and make it available to the public.
    Prohibits: (1) the transfer of any assault weapon with a large capacity ammunition feeding device; and (2) a licensed manufacturer, importer, or dealer who transfers such a device that was manufactured on or before this Act's enactment from failing to certify to the Attorney General, within 60 days of the transfer date, that the device was manufactured on or before that date. Sets forth penalties for violations.
    Prohibits: (1) the transfer of such a weapon or device to a juvenile; and (2) the importation of such a device.


    Here's a summary. You tell me what you find so egregious about it?

    Full text here
    1) it violates the constitution

    2 it is designed to harass gun owners

    3) if governments have decided that large capacity hadnguns are suitable for police to use for self defense, they are equally useful to other civilians

    Tell me why are you in favor of it other than the fact that you are a liberal and you want to stick it to the mainly conservative gun owners


    I get so tired of laws passed to punish people for their poltics. Be it bans on guns or gay marriage.

    Need has nothing to do with constitutional rights BTW. Hunting has NOTHING to do with the second amendment either.
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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You obviously are clueless about history.

    Clinton was less a gun hater than Obama. You appear too dim to understand that if people wait until Obama bans stuff they won't be able to get it or they will have to pay extremely inflated amounts for it


    The Dem ticket has both called for draconian restrictions on guns. The speaker of the house is a major league gun hater who has called for draconian bans. So tell me, is it PARANOID for gun owners to plan for a gun ban now?

    SInce you voted for Obama and proudly proclaim your support for him why are you so ignorant as to his positions? A quick google search will reveal that he has called for the bans I speak of.
    No. I said that if you want to participate in the panic buying go ahead. That's your right. I wasn't being ignorant of history but just saying personally I don't buy into the panic. You make your choice I make mine.

    Additionally you admitted you weren't sure Obama would limit or ban guns as President. And you're right. None of us do. So it's your words, not mine TD. So logic says you are reacting to an unknown. Buying in to the fear. Nothing more, nothing less.

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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by rsixing View Post
    No. I said that if you want to participate in the panic buying go ahead. That's your right. I wasn't being ignorant of history but just saying personally I don't buy into the panic. You make your choice I make mine.

    Additionally you admitted you weren't sure Obama would limit or ban guns as President. And you're right. None of us do. So it's your words, not mine TD. So logic says you are reacting to an unknown. Buying in to the fear. Nothing more, nothing less.

    He might become a big NRA supporter-WTF knows, All we have is his history and his history is rather bad when it comes to gun rights


    Are you going to take a shot at supporting HR 1022 and similar gun bans?

    Why do the libs have such a hard time in being direct on this issue?

    Me-I like to shoot-all kinds of shooting games. I tire of being told my rights are subordinate to dem schemes to pretend they are not criminal coddlers.
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    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) it violates the constitution
    Prove it.

    2 it is designed to harass gun owners
    Prove it.

    3) if governments have decided that large capacity hadnguns are suitable for police to use for self defense, they are equally useful to other civilians
    Agreed.

    Tell me why are you in favor of it other than the fact that you are a liberal and you want to stick it to the mainly conservative gun owners
    Have I stated I am in favor of it?

    I get so tired of laws passed to punish people for their poltics. Be it bans on guns or gay marriage.
    Now that's just paranoid thinking TD. In reality you have two consituencies who wish to further their own agenda. If you see it as retribution then they see the laws passed by conservatives which counter laws passed by liberals as retribution also.

    Need has nothing to do with constitutional rights BTW. Hunting has NOTHING to do with the second amendment either.
    I know that but you asked why I thought liberals were against some guns. I answered.

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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    He might become a big NRA supporter-WTF knows, All we have is his history and his history is rather bad when it comes to gun rights
    I will give him time and let his actions speak for themselves. And personally I'm not worried about loosing guns. Like in the service when we got a POS commander we always knew in a couple of years there would be another come along.

    Are you going to take a shot at supporting HR 1022 and similar gun bans?
    I'm not sure where I stand on HR 1022. I'm not going to knee-jerk react over the title so I need to read the whole bill.

    Why do the libs have such a hard time in being direct on this issue?
    I've been direct about my opinion when you've asked. Mostly you just presume my motivations or my opinions. That's your problem, not mine.

    Me-I like to shoot-all kinds of shooting games. I tire of being told my rights are subordinate to dem schemes to pretend they are not criminal coddlers.
    Okay. This little rant is a little fractured. I'm afraid I don't quite get what you're trying to explain.

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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by rsixing View Post
    Prove it.



    Prove it.



    Agreed.



    Have I stated I am in favor of it?



    Now that's just paranoid thinking TD. In reality you have two consituencies who wish to further their own agenda. If you see it as retribution then they see the laws passed by conservatives which counter laws passed by liberals as retribution also.



    I know that but you asked why I thought liberals were against some guns. I answered.


    prove it-the right to keep and BEAR arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED


    I am a gun owner-the ban harassed me in 1994. There is your proof.


    Now lets see if you can actually step up to the plate and justify such a ban


    Batter up
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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    prove it-the right to keep and BEAR arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

    I am a gun owner-the ban harassed me in 1994. There is your proof.

    Now lets see if you can actually step up to the plate and justify such a ban

    Batter up
    The 2nd Amendment has not been completely defined therefore an imposement of a weapons ban is not an infringement of rights.

    I'm sorry you feel you were harassed. Good thing Clinton's bill had a sunset clause huh.

    Is the assault weapons ban still in effect? So why would I justify a law that is no longer extant? And where have I stated I supported Clinton's law in the first place? I'll tell you. I haven't.

    For me it's the whole "sky is falling" chicken little, right wing, TO ARMS TO ARMS fear mongering going on TD. It's hilarious to me. You guys have really given me much to smile about the last couple of days. Thanks.

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