View Poll Results: Is Obama going to take our guns?

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  • Yes, it's a fact Obama will take our guns! TO ARMS! TO ARMS!

    8 23.53%
  • No, this is a fear based rhetoric of the right to smear the upcoming Obama administration!

    9 26.47%
  • Any administration has the potential to violate our 2nd Amendment rights!

    10 29.41%
  • I'm not worried but I will be watching.

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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Said nothing of the kind. Simply providing balance; it's hardly an exclusive "Right-wing" phenomenon. You chose to make the distinction, however.
    Sounds like you're saying exactly that again. "Providing balance" = "two wrongs make a right"

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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Sounds like you're saying exactly that again. "Providing balance" = "two wrongs make a right"
    No, I didn't say anyone was "right." But I guess I can't stop you from reading it that way if you're determined to do so no matter what I say.

    I mean, I'm saying both sides are wrong when they do so. What are YOU saying, being that you're so energetic about arguing with me over it?
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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, I didn't say anyone was "right." But I guess I can't stop you from reading it that way if you're determined to do so no matter what I say.

    I mean, I'm saying both sides are wrong when they do so.
    So you're saying that you were wrong to engage in fear mongering? If so I redact my previous post

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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    So you're saying that you were wrong to engage in fear mongering? If so I redact my previous post
    Show me the "fearmongering," and I will admit to being wrong, sure.
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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Show me the "fearmongering," and I will admit to being wrong, sure.
    Not a problem.

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    Well, the last Democrat administration, with a Democrat Congress, gave us the most sweeping restrictions on the 2nd Amendment we've seen. Why shouldn't a new Democrat Administration with a strengthened Democrat Congress try to do the same?

    I think you can count on it.
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    There are many Democrats who would ban the ownership of all guns if they could. Some Republicans, too, I suppose. It's not like it's far-fetched to expect something sweeping.
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    Feb, 2007, and yes, all that will happen. Just showing why there should be no doubt of it.

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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Not a problem.
    Using precedent -- the actual actions of the people in question, the fact of which is not in doubt -- to inform an opinion on what they will do under a similar set of circumstances is "fearmongering"?

    Fact: during the first two years of the Clinton Administration, the last time both Congress and the White House were Democrat, they did enact the most sweeping restrictions on the 2nd Amendment in history -- the Brady Law and the Assault Weapons Ban.

    Fact: once Congress was returned to Democrat hands in 2007, Rep. McCarthy, whose chief issue is gun control, did re-introduce the Assault Weapons ban within six weeks of that Congress taking office.

    Fact: the Democratic party platform includes plans to do exactly the same.

    Do you deny that there are some Democrats who want to ban all guns? Do you notice that I also said some Republicans probably want to as well?

    Fearmongering? I think not. A reasoned look at history and using it to inform ideas on what will happen? Absolutely. What's "comical" is calling this "fearmongering."
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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Said nothing of the kind. Simply providing balance; it's hardly an exclusive "Right-wing" phenomenon. You chose to make the distinction, however.
    He said the fear mongering from the right was comical. You jumped on the defensive.
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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Using precedent -- the actual actions of the people in question, the fact of which is not in doubt -- to inform an opinion on what they will do under a similar set of circumstances is "fearmongering"?

    Fact: during the first two years of the Clinton Administration, the last time both Congress and the White House were Democrat, they did enact the most sweeping restrictions on the 2nd Amendment in history -- the Brady Law and the Assault Weapons Ban.

    Fact: once Congress was returned to Democrat hands in 2007, Rep. McCarthy, whose chief issue is gun control, did re-introduce the Assault Weapons ban within six weeks of that Congress taking office.

    Fact: the Democratic party platform includes plans to do exactly the same.

    Do you deny that there are some Democrats who want to ban all guns? Do you notice that I also said some Republicans probably want to as well?

    Fearmongering? I think not. A reasoned look at history and using it to inform ideas on what will happen? Absolutely. What's "comical" is calling this "fearmongering."
    "the most sweeping restrictions on the 2nd Amendment we've seen" "ban the ownership of all guns" "all that will happen"

    If that isn't fear mongering I would love to see an example of what is

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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    "the most sweeping restrictions on the 2nd Amendment we've seen"
    Point of fact, they were.


    "ban the ownership of all guns"
    Point of fact, there are those who favor it.


    "all that will happen"
    This, you take out of context and imply I'm saying that banning of ownership of all guns will happen. That's not what I said. Go back and read the context.

    I can't help it if their past actions indicate that they WILL do what I suggest they will, because they did it before.


    If that isn't fear mongering I would love to see an example of what is
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    "Invaded to steal all the oil."

    "The KGWB."
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    Re: Obama and gun-ownership...

    Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it

    Clinton caused

    1) the cost of normal capacity magazines to quadruple or more in price


    2) By banning the import of the fairly high quality but inexpensive chinese/PLA ammo, he drove up the cost of shooting for those who shoot common arms in 223, 9mm, and 7.62X39

    3) by banning the import of foreign made guns he drove up the price of those in the USA


    can any of you gun haters tell us why there should be a 10 round limit on magazines when civilian police departments issue 15-18 round magazines for self defensive use to their civilian officers?
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    , as long as you can own one or fewer guns, your right to bear a firearm is not being infringed upon.

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