gdalton said:
This is just silly guys, come on, everyone one likes to shout tolerate everything as long as you don't mention God. If it offends you then don't say it, no one has a gun to your head.
But I have been told why don't I go somewhere else to live. But the question is why do I have to tolereate what shouldn't be anyway. The question is why is a religious phrase codified into the pledge that is for ALL citizens and not just those of the Judeo/Christian faith?
How bout freedom of speech, shouldn't that protect the ones who prefer to say "under God".
It's about what is by law our pledge and what our public institution teach are receit to children of all faiths and beliefs. The constitution says government shall make no law respecting, or establishing religion.
The question is why would you want government involved in your religion in the first place.
I just don't get it, why are some people so offended by this
It's not so much offended but aren't those who do not profess the Judeo/Christian faith just as much citizens as those who do? Why does OR pledge have to respect the one religion then when it is not necessary to mention any religion at all.
If you want it in there then YOU justify it being there. Why should it be in the pledge that is for ALL citizens or ALL beliefs and faiths in this country that is suppose to endores freedom for all religious and non-religious belief?
but they are the same people who would stand up for NAMBLA's right to talk about "loving" little boys.
I certainly don't so where do you get that broad paint brush. I guess I could say then that those who do support it are the ones who would stand up to put all women back in the home subservient to their husbands. Both are absurd statements.
If we have to use separation of church and state then just say "ok little kiddies, some people are offended by the word God in our pledge so when we say the pledge if you are offended leave God out of it."
Why not say
k little kiddies there are many faiths and beliefs in this country and we were founded on the basis that government would niether endorse nor prohibit any of them that it would be neutral so therefore we will not put our beliefs over those of others and we will say a pledge that is inclusive of ALL citizens not just us"?
But honestly I just can't over how silly this all is, the pledge in no way says you must be religious, nor does it promote one religion over another (lots of religions capitalize the word God).
I most certainly does promote one over others, it doesn't say "under Alla", it doesn't say "under Budda", it doesn't say "under nothing". And the consitutions says government shall make no law respecting religion. That is religion AT ALL. Any religion not just one religion, any religion AT ALL.
The constitution gives us freedom OF religion not freedom FROM religion
Nope, it gives us both. It protects you from others religious beliefs just as it protest us from yours.
, although you are free not to believe in a god you are also free to believe in which ever god you prefer, this is what I believe is meant by freedom of religion.
Yep and government should have nothing to do with either because we SHARE government and mixing government and religion has historically been a disaster to individual freedoms.