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Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

  • Yes

    Votes: 68 54.4%

  • No

    Votes: 57 45.6%
  • Total voters
    125
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Scarecrow Akhbar said:
That's a pretty good refutation of what I said. :roll:
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I know you liberals can't handle the truth when you see it.............Your in big trouble in this country.........The moderates and conservatives have rejected your left wing rabble over and over again.......
 
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Navy Pride said:
I know you liberals can't handle the truth when you see it.............Your in big trouble in this country.........The moderates and conservatives have rejected your left wing rabble over and over again.......
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I didn't know I was a liberal. :shock: How about if you define what you mean by the term?

Then maybe you could entertain us and define "conservative", if that's what you think you are.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
I didn't know I was a liberal. :shock: How about if you define what you mean by the term?

Then maybe you could entertain us and define "conservative", if that's what you think you are.
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I have done that many times in other threads so I don't want to be redundant........

Lets just say the American people reject your mantra of "If it feels good do it."
 
Lets just say the American people reject your mantra of "If it feels good do it."
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:roll:
Lets just say "you don't speak for the American people".

Mr. T says: "I pity the fool who don't substantiate his claims!"
 
OdgenTugbyGlub said:
:roll:
Lets just say "you don't speak for the American people".

Mr. T says: "I pity the fool who don't substantiate his claims!"
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Ah have you noticed who has been winning all the national elections????

I would have to say that is a rejection of the liberal mantra.....

I think that substantiates my claim pretty well.........
 
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Navy Pride said:
Ah have you noticed who has been winning all the national elections????

I would have to say that is a rejection of the liberal mantra.....
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This only way this guy substatiates any of his claims is by saying

"your a liberal so your wrong"
"we conservatives are winning all the national elections"
"liberals are all unpatriotic, treasonous, terrorist supporting, communist...liberals"

liberal, liberal, liberal
left, left, left
lefties, lefties, lefties.

Ive yet to see you actually debate something.
But don't start now, just keep up using the fact someone is a liberal to substatiate what you say is right.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
I recently proposed elsewhere an amendment that would require all females under the age of 30 and under 130 pounds to go topless. That would gain a lot of popular support but still not get ratified. Pity.

It's "difficult" to amend the Constitution, not impossible. It's apparently impossible to impeach presidents...er to get the Senate to convict on the impeachment, I mean.

So there's no popular support for the idea of term limiting judges. Doesn't mean it's not a good idea.
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My issue is with your contention that the constitution should be amended for some things which are neither salient nor unanimously agreed upon as a good idea, while you simultaneously that it should remain "unblemished" by other amendments.

Why would you sleep well? As it stands, your neighbor could have an illegal cache of arms and you'd never know it. People like Osama WILL get a nuke, that's as sure as the sun rising on the devastated city. I've got better things to do that worry about impossible limits on gun ownership.
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Living in a city where people shoot each other all the time, I feel better knowing that rather than shooting RPG's at each other, they're using .44's.

The Hiroshima bomb cost $2,000,000,000, killed 180,000 people. That's $11,000 a head.

Those good ole boys in Oklahoma spent less than $10,000 and killed 165 people. That's $60 a head.
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I misinterpreted your initial post, I thought you meant dollar for dollar in terms of lives cost, as in the damage done from each attack.

And "those good ole boys?" Please tell me that was sarcasm.

http://washtimes.com/national/20051003-122623-2136r.htm

Riviera Beach, Floriduh, considers eminent domain in wake of Kelo vs New London to displace 8000 lower income residents to make room for high-end marina and yacht basin.
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A scare story from the wash times. Doesn't convince me that this decision is the end of society. And lots of things are "planned," doesn't matter til it gets enacted.
 
Navy Pride said:
Ah have you noticed who has been winning all the national elections????

I would have to say that is a rejection of the liberal mantra.....

I think that substantiates my claim pretty well.........
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I've agreed with you many times in the past, but I'm really getting sick of your "If you don't agree with me on every single issue, you're a liberal" philosophy.

It's stupid to think that everyone is either left or right on every issue. God forbid people not toe the party line like you.

Sigh. Now I'm going to get called a liberal again. Why does this happen to me all the time on this board?
 
RightatNYU said:
I've agreed with you many times in the past, but I'm really getting sick of your "If you don't agree with me on every single issue, you're a liberal" philosophy.

It's stupid to think that everyone is either left or right on every issue. God forbid people not toe the party line like you.

Sigh. Now I'm going to get called a liberal again. Why does this happen to me all the time on this board?
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I don't think that your a liberal.
Everyone has differen't views on everything, or should at least.
Some people, like Navy Pride, only agree with whatever George Bush says.

I don't agree with many liberals, but I tend to classify myself with them because most of thier views I share.
Not big on Environmentalists, or those who think we should have more strict Gun Control.

There are probably more issues I don't agree with most liberals on, I just can't think of much right now.
 
Caine said:
I don't think that your a liberal.
Everyone has differen't views on everything, or should at least.
Some people, like Navy Pride, only agree with whatever George Bush says.

I don't agree with many liberals, but I tend to classify myself with them because most of thier views I share.
Not big on Environmentalists, or those who think we should have more strict Gun Control.

There are probably more issues I don't agree with most liberals on, I just can't think of much right now.
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What the hell? Someone was supposed to respond "Maybe they call you a liberal because you're a liberal!!!!!!11" so i could flip out on them.

Enough with the civil, reasoned responses already, it's getting tiring.
 
RightatNYU said:
What the hell? Someone was supposed to respond "Maybe they call you a liberal because you're a liberal!!!!!!11" so i could flip out on them.

Enough with the civil, reasoned responses already, it's getting tiring.
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lol.. okay fine...

You stupid wanker ass liberal.
 
Caine said:
lol.. okay fine...

You stupid wanker ass liberal.
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IM NOT A LIBERAL ******* IT IM A CONSERVATIVE GRRRRRRRRRR.

Much better, thank you.
 
RightatNYU said:
IM NOT A LIBERAL ******* IT IM A CONSERVATIVE GRRRRRRRRRR.

Much better, thank you.
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No problem....


*cough* liberal weiner *cough*
 
RightatNYU said:
My issue is with your contention that the constitution should be amended for some things which are neither salient nor unanimously agreed upon as a good idea, while you simultaneously that it should remain "unblemished" by other amendments.
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It doesn't have to be "unanimously" agreed upon to get ratified. It only needs to pass the House and Senate with a 2/3's vote, then con 3/4 of the states' legislatures to go along, and voila, beer's illegal.

If an amendment banning beer can be passed in a nation crammed full of Irish and German immigrants, ANYTHING can pass, given the right conditions.

RightatNYU said:
Living in a city where people shoot each other all the time, I feel better knowing that rather than shooting RPG's at each other, they're using .44's.
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I'd feel better if they used RPG's. They're more likely to kill each other and then we'd be done with them.

Fact of the matter is that most, if not all, gun restriction legislation is based on nonsense. But that's not for this thread.

RightatNYU said:
I misinterpreted your initial post, I thought you meant dollar for dollar in terms of lives cost, as in the damage done from each attack.
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I didn't run those numbers. You're talking about inflation adjusted figures, I suppose, though I imagine it would be hard to assign a monetary value to a Japanese city no one had much interest in anyway. Then again, what good is a federal building? Certainly bureaucrats are easily replaced.

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And "those good ole boys?" Please tell me that was sarcasm.
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No. You'll have to guess.

RightatNYU said:
A scare story from the wash times. Doesn't convince me that this decision is the end of society. And lots of things are "planned," doesn't matter til it gets enacted.
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And that's the one story that you need to watch. Tell me where the affected people will find protection in the wake of Kelo vs New London.
 
But to drag the thread back to the Pledge of Allegiance...

...why is it a "liberal" thing to demand that the Congress obey the Constitution?

People that heave that epithet out randomly should take the time to read my posts. All of them.

While "liberal" is a slippery term with almost zero meaning, in general it implies a person that seeks to impose his will on society via the abuse of governmental power.

What, exactly, do you call a law enacted by Congress dictating the correct phrasing of a "Pledge of Allegiance"?
 
RightatNYU said:
Because the supreme court can overrule the "will of the majority" like they will here.

Perfect example.:lol:
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It's kind of funny if you think about it. People swing greatly on their opinion of the Supreme Court. If it decides the way they want it to, then their great. If not, it's them damn activist judges.

I think there's a good chance the phase under God will still be in the pledge when SCOTUS is done. I don't think that's the right decision, but you know them damn activist judges.
 
It depends on the makeup of the Court at the time the case comes before it. If the Court is still heavy with activist judges, it is a distinct possibility that the phrase will be removed. If the Court is heavier with originalist or strict constructionist judges at the time the case comes before it, I believe the phrase will be left in the Pledge. The reason I believe it will is that none of you anti-under-God-in-the-Pledge people have come up with any rationale for why this phrase is unconstitutional other than you don't like it and/or you think the constitution prohibits religious expression in the public sector period and/or you want it to be unconstitutional. I think the justices will rule that it is constitutional and leave its use to the states to decide.
 
AlbqOwl said:
It depends on the makeup of the Court at the time the case comes before it. If the Court is still heavy with activist judges, it is a distinct possibility that the phrase will be removed. If the Court is heavier with originalist or strict constructionist judges at the time the case comes before it, I believe the phrase will be left in the Pledge. The reason I believe it will is that none of you anti-under-God-in-the-Pledge people have come up with any rationale for why this phrase is unconstitutional other than you don't like it and/or you think the constitution prohibits religious expression in the public sector period and/or you want it to be unconstitutional. I think the justices will rule that it is constitutional and leave its use to the states to decide.
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You just confirmed what Pacridge just said.

By the way, I demand that MY diety's name be mentioned in our pledge.
We are not "under God" thats ridiculous, there is no "God".
We are under Cosmodaeo. the supreme creator of the universe.
 
Caine said:
You just confirmed what Pacridge just said.

By the way, I demand that MY diety's name be mentioned in our pledge.
We are not "under God" thats ridiculous, there is no "God".
We are under Cosmodaeo. the supreme creator of the universe.
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I will support your petition if you can show how Cosmodaeo is a historical symbol of the Declaration of Independence and the source of inalienable rights guaranteed by the Constitution.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I will support your petition if you can show how Cosmodaeo is a historical symbol of the Declaration of Independence and the source of inalienable rights guaranteed by the Constitution.
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The inalienable rights has nothing to do with god.
The Declaration of Independance has nothing to do with the Pledge of Allegiance.

tell me how this has anything to do with it
 
Caine said:
The inalienable rights has nothing to do with god.
The Declaration of Independance has nothing to do with the Pledge of Allegiance.

tell me how this has anything to do with it
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From the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness--

(Note: without the Declaration, there would have been no Constitution.)

The Preamble to the US Constitution
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

(Note: The blessings in this context are obviously the unalienable
rights cited in the Declaration.)

Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution ...

Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land ...

Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

Arkansas 1874, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom ..

Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence= for the Supreme Ruler of Universe ..

Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy ...

Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences ..

Florida 1845, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...

Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance, establish this Constitution ..

Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings .

Illinois 1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors..

Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to chose our form of government

Iowa 1857, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings ... establish this Constitution

Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges ... establish this Constitution.

Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth of grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...

Louisiana 1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy ..

Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine .. acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity ... and imploring His aid and direction ...

Maryland 1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God or our civil and religious liberty...

Massachusetts 1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe... in the course of His Providence, an opportunity .and devoutly imploring His direction ...

Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom . establish this Constitution

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings

Mississippi 1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

Missouri 1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness .establish this Constitution ...

Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ...

Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom .. establish this Constitution.

Nevada 1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, establish this Constitution ..New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience..

New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors ...

New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty ..

New York 1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings ...

North Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those .

North Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

Ohio 1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common .

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty . establish this

Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences ...

Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble. We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly= invoking His guidance

Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of the State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution ...

South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties ... establish this

Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...

Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God ...

Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution ..

Vermont 1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to ... enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man .

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI ... Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator ... can be directed only by Reason . and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other...

Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution

West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia .. reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God ..

Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility ..

Wyoming 1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties ... establish this Constitution
 
AlbqOwl said:
From the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness--

(Note: without the Declaration, there would have been no Constitution.)

The Preamble to the US Constitution
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

(Note: The blessings in this context are obviously the unalienable
rights cited in the Declaration.)

Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution ...

Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land ...

Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

Arkansas 1874, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom ..

Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence= for the Supreme Ruler of Universe ..

Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy ...

Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences ..

Florida 1845, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...

Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance, establish this Constitution ..

Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings .

Illinois 1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors..

Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to chose our form of government

Iowa 1857, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings ... establish this Constitution

Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges ... establish this Constitution.

Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth of grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...

Louisiana 1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy ..

Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine .. acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity ... and imploring His aid and direction ...

Maryland 1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God or our civil and religious liberty...

Massachusetts 1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe... in the course of His Providence, an opportunity .and devoutly imploring His direction ...

Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom . establish this Constitution

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings

Mississippi 1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

Missouri 1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness .establish this Constitution ...

Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ...

Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom .. establish this Constitution.

Nevada 1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, establish this Constitution ..New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience..

New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors ...

New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty ..

New York 1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings ...

North Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those .

North Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

Ohio 1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common .

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty . establish this

Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences ...

Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble. We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly= invoking His guidance

Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of the State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution ...

South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties ... establish this

Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...

Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God ...

Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution ..

Vermont 1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to ... enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man .

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI ... Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator ... can be directed only by Reason . and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other...

Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution

West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia .. reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God ..

Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility ..

Wyoming 1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties ... establish this Constitution
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A: The preambles have nothing to do with this, and its a good thing you are a frequent visitor of the www.nodnc.com website, thats an OBVIOUSLY biased opinion.
B: The "Creator" isn't necessarily your christian/jewish God. It is the Flying Spaghetti Monster. He created the earth and everything in it.
 
AlbqOwl said:
(Note: The blessings in this context are obviously the unalienable rights cited in the Declaration.)
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Why is that obvious?

I mean, outside of the fact that "rights" are a legal fiction with no physical reality, there's no indication that the word "blessings" had any religious significance at all.
 
AlbqOwl said:
From the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness--

(Note: without the Declaration, there would have been no Constitution.)

The Preamble to the US Constitution
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

(Note: The blessings in this context are obviously the unalienable
rights cited in the Declaration.)

Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution ...

Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land ...

Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

Arkansas 1874, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom ..

Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence= for the Supreme Ruler of Universe ..

Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy ...

Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences ..

Florida 1845, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...

Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance, establish this Constitution ..

Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings .

Illinois 1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors..

Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to chose our form of government

Iowa 1857, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings ... establish this Constitution

Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges ... establish this Constitution.

Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth of grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...

Louisiana 1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy ..

Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine .. acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity ... and imploring His aid and direction ...

Maryland 1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God or our civil and religious liberty...

Massachusetts 1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe... in the course of His Providence, an opportunity .and devoutly imploring His direction ...

Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom . establish this Constitution

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings

Mississippi 1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

Missouri 1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness .establish this Constitution ...

Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ...

Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom .. establish this Constitution.

Nevada 1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, establish this Constitution ..New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience..

New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors ...

New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty ..

New York 1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings ...

North Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those .

North Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

Ohio 1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common .

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty . establish this

Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences ...

Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble. We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly= invoking His guidance

Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of the State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution ...

South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties ... establish this

Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...

Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God ...

Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution ..

Vermont 1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to ... enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man .

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI ... Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator ... can be directed only by Reason . and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other...

Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution

West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia .. reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God ..

Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility ..

Wyoming 1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties ... establish this Constitution
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Excellent post.............The left can whine all they want about God and this country but they will never get rid of him...........Many of our laws are patterned after the laws of God......The 10 Commandments come to mind..........

They want this to be a Godless country and it really torques their jaws that it is not.............
 
Caine said:
A: The preambles have nothing to do with this, and its a good thing you are a frequent visitor of the www.nodnc.com website, thats an OBVIOUSLY biased opinion.
B: The "Creator" isn't necessarily your christian/jewish God. It is the Flying Spaghetti Monster. He created the earth and everything in it.
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I went to that site because that site was the first one that popped up when I searched for the state preambles list. The list is what it is despite whatever site it is posted on. The Preambles have everything to do with our national, political, and cultural history which is the whole foundation of the the 'under God' defense.

And I have consistently said that the God of the Pledge is not a Christian God or a Hindu God or a Jewish God or any specific God. The God of the Pledge is the God of our god-given rights that are unalienable.
 
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