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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    What was “the successful experiment” in the "XYZ" or "Eternal Hostility" letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to Benjamin Rush?

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou
    I think rather than screw around with it we might as well come up with something new or forget the whole thing all together. Many people don't think kids should be forced to memorize anything anymore so maybe we should let it go and not have the little children recite anything in the morning since memorization is icky.
    Pledges to the state are so Nazi-ish and Soviet-like that we should just not have them. The children of this nation should not be coerced to recite a pledge like a robot. It also does nothing but display false patriotism. What actual values do a pledge instill in children?

    And even if you came up with a new pledge....what would it be? How would you satisfy everyone? Fact is....some don't want to pledge allegiance to anything. And disrespecting the President has become almost common place in schools across the nation anyway and "patriotism" has become almost a dirty word! Some people are actually ashamed of this country and some people think it's stupid to have pride in where you were born. So in the end.....why even bother?
    Patriotism is a "dirty word" because so many people in this country don't know the first thing about what it means to be American. Many just think slapping a bumper sticker with the American flag with "under God" and other displays "patriotism" makes them a patriot. How about knowing what's in the Constitution and standing up for it? A real patriot has no need to wrap themselves in the flag since their actions show that he/she is a patriot, which is more than just being proud of the fact that you were born here. Pushing for religion in government is not one of those actions and is in fact very anti-American.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by star2589
    there is nothing unconstitutional about the pledge of alligiance. forcing people to say it is another matter.
    The government has no right to even have a pledge in the first place, especially one that acknowledges a diety. There is simply no good reason for it in the first place. It is there to force people to show their outward loyalty to the state (you're a good American, right?). I don't see how it is constitutional.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by FredFlash
    What was “the successful experiment” in the "XYZ" or "Eternal Hostility" letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to Benjamin Rush?

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    I believe that was the creation of a government separate from the rule of religion, where neither was suported by the other, and based only on the rule of law. I'm sure you will correct me if I'm wrong.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Columbusite
    The government has no right to even have a pledge in the first place, especially one that acknowledges a diety. There is simply no good reason for it in the first place. It is there to force people to show their outward loyalty to the state (you're a good American, right?). I don't see how it is constitutional.
    I see it as being no different from the national anthem.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002
    The unity promotion is true to an extent. I highly doubt that reciting these things would solve the division in the country right now though.!
    No song will fix that. We will unify better as a country as soon as Iran releases their 40000 suicide bombers on us as they threatened to today.


    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002
    And yes, I do know about the tingly feeling associated with the anthem. It is purely an emotional response. I used to get the same thing as a child from the Star Wars theme (I know, it sounds corny, but I was a kid). .!
    I still watch those too but the feeling isnt the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002
    I doubt that an athlete would be weaker for not hearing the anthem before the game though. If you need a song to get jacked up for a game, then perhaps you have issues with where you get you motivation from. BTW, does the anthem give you a feeling of unity with your opposition or just your own team?.!
    Never mentioned need. Makes me feel better though. I like it. sue me.

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002
    O' Canada? Are you saying that our national anthem is the only one that instills feelings of loyalty and pride in a country. How ethnocentric of you!
    Perhaps singing O'Canada or El himno nacional mexicano out of the blue does it for you. Good for you. Teacher really enjoys this one.


    Not for me. If I was canadian or mexican that would be different. The national anthem of Liberia also does not evoke an emotion from me. So yeah that is ethnocentric of me. I have lived in Europe and Asia and spent time in nearly all the United States. In my opinion Texas, New Mexico, and Hong Kong(Pre China) are some of the coolest places to live.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by star2589
    there is nothing unconstitutional about the pledge of alligiance. forcing people to say it is another matter.
    Where in Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution is Congress given the power to sign off on an official pledge of allegiance?
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading
    Didn't imply anything. I bet you every athiest and agnostic in this country uses 2006 on the checks they write.

    Also in the Constitution you'll find the words January and March. January comes from Janus, the god of doorways who had two faces, and March from Mars, the God of war, but I don't think the Signers were implying that they believed in these gods, were they?
    My point was just that it was indicative of our history. Also, it might just help to instill morality into young people. If the effects of it are positive, which I believe they are for the most part, I don't see why we should remove it.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Columbusite
    Pledges to the state are so Nazi-ish and Soviet-like that we should just not have them. The children of this nation should not be coerced to recite a pledge like a robot. It also does nothing but display false patriotism. What actual values do a pledge instill in children?
    See you proved my point. I have trouble understanding how some feel this way....yet they do. I think the pledge of allegiance in the morning is nice and teaches kids respect for their country and pride in their country. Clearly not everyone believes pride and respect for ones country is good.


    Patriotism is a "dirty word" because so many people in this country don't know the first thing about what it means to be American.
    Patriotism is a dirty word because liberals have made it that way.

    A real patriot has no need to wrap themselves in the flag since their actions show that he/she is a patriot, which is more than just being proud of the fact that you were born here.
    Someone who honestly feels patriotism is a dirty word probably doesn't know anything about a "real patriot."

    Pushing for religion in government is not one of those actions and is in fact very anti-American.
    Some would argue that insisting God be pushed completely out of sight is anti-American. I'm not religious but I'd agree with those people. It's freedom of religion not freedom from religion.

    To me it seems ridiculous that liberals are running around trying to get the pledge of allegiance thrown out of schools and what not. Seems to me that consumers have no trouble consuming despite the "In God we Trust" money. Why not go after that first? Seems to me as long as God is on the money than clearly we are a nation under God whether we like it or not.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou
    Patriotism is a dirty word because liberals have made it that way.
    And why shouldn't it be a dirty word? What exactly is the virtue of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou
    To me it seems ridiculous that liberals are running around trying to get the pledge of allegiance thrown out of schools and what not. Seems to me that consumers have no trouble consuming despite the "In God we Trust" money. Why not go after that first? Seems to me as long as God is on the money than clearly we are a nation under God whether we like it or not.
    We should get rid of that phrase too. It's not insisting "God be pushed completely out of sight," as you said. It's simply insisting that the government has no business taking sides on matters of faith.
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