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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightatNYU
    The pledge was not written in 1492.
    I always thought it was taken from that letter that Thomas Paine wrote to George Washington Carver about Virgil Cain robbing the Danvile Train and giving the money to the Danbury Baptists to build the mounds of separation.

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    For first Amendment purposes, religion is "Any sincere belief based upon a power or being or upon a faith to which all else is subordinate or upon which all else is ultimately dependent. Any belief which rests at least partly upon moral or ethical principle, not wholly upon considerations of policy, pragmatism, or expediency."
    "Religion is the duty which we owe to our Creator."

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    --Draft of Virginia Bill of Rights by Patrick Henry (1776)
    --The Virginia Bill of Rights (1776)
    --A Memorial and Remonstrance by James Madison (1785)
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    --U. S. Supreme Court in Reynolds V. U. S. (1878)

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar
    That's just the English translation of anno domini (AD), which was merely the standard way of writing years at that time. Don't read too much into it.
    It was somewhat of a, "standard" back then, yes. But it still implies that they were Christian. If they weren't, they could have just not put that in there. The constitution itself contained so many revolutionary aspects for that time, things that flew in the face of the European monarchies, don't you think they would have been also as defiant if they had been atheists or agnostics?

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride
    Well and activist liberal judge from the 9th circuit court in San Francisco has struck again today striking the word "Under God" from the Pledge of Alegiance....

    It will go to the SCOTUS and be struck down but what are your thoughts?
    As an agnostic atheist, I skip the words "under god" every morning when the pledge is recited. What is the big deal? Iím not offended, just don't force me to say "under god"

    It's just another wedge issue. There are bigger fish to fry; like Rumsfeld for example.

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by galenrox
    I've come to a conclusion about this issue, at that is "under God" should be taken out of the pledge. Not only do I view it in direct opposition to what this nation is supposed to be, but also as a christian it really pisses me off.

    "Under God" was placed in the pledge in the 50's, essentially to show the godless communists how godly we were. Any way about it, broadcasting your christianity as a way to either get glory or as a tactic in a war is a misuse of it.
    The gentelman from Galveston said that "religion and politics are things that must forever run in parallel lines which never meet; for whenever they meet, there is contamination, and religion has in it much more of earth than heaven. Delegate William Brown, Page 177, Debates of the Texas Constitutional Convention of 1845.

    http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/consti...s/00000016.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by hipsterdufus
    As an agnostic atheist, I skip the words "under god" every morning when the pledge is recited. What is the big deal? Iím not offended, just don't force me to say "under god"
    Why do you forbid the government to use force but allow it to use recommendations? What principle of religious liberty did you apply?

    Quote Originally Posted by hipsterdufus
    It's just another wedge issue. There are bigger fish to fry; like Rumsfeld for example.
    I got your back in that fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by George_Washington
    It was somewhat of a, "standard" back then, yes. But it still implies that they were Christian. If they weren't, they could have just not put that in there. The constitution itself contained so many revolutionary aspects for that time, things that flew in the face of the European monarchies, don't you think they would have been also as defiant if they had been atheists or agnostics?
    If using the European dating ritual implies they were Christian, does the fact that the First U. S. Congress did not use it imply that they weren't?

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    the phrase "Under God" has been in the pledge long enough that I dont see much reason to remove it now. by now it has historical meaning.

    my bigger concern is how elementry schools force students to recite it, without ever explaining what it means. its rather silly to me. this is what I thought I was saying in elementry school:

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
    And to the republic for witchit stands
    one nation, under god, indivisable
    with liberty and justice for all"

    I didnt know what any of the bolded words meant. I thought "witchit" had something to do with witches...

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Well the "under God" part was added but also the whole "United States of America" part was an added addition as well. If you throw out the "under God" because it wasn't included in the original than you ought to throw out the "United States of America" too for the same reason.

    I think rather than screw around with it we might as well come up with something new or forget the whole thing all together. Many people don't think kids should be forced to memorize anything anymore so maybe we should let it go and not have the little children recite anything in the morning since memorization is icky.

    And even if you came up with a new pledge....what would it be? How would you satisfy everyone? Fact is....some don't want to pledge allegiance to anything. And disrespecting the President has become almost common place in schools across the nation anyway and "patriotism" has become almost a dirty word! Some people are actually ashamed of this country and some people think it's stupid to have pride in where you were born. So in the end.....why even bother?

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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by George_Washington
    It was somewhat of a, "standard" back then, yes. But it still implies that they were Christian. If they weren't, they could have just not put that in there. The constitution itself contained so many revolutionary aspects for that time, things that flew in the face of the European monarchies, don't you think they would have been also as defiant if they had been atheists or agnostics?
    Didn't imply anything. I bet you every athiest and agnostic in this country uses 2006 on the checks they write.

    Also in the Constitution you'll find the words January and March. January comes from Janus, the god of doorways who had two faces, and March from Mars, the God of war, but I don't think the Signers were implying that they believed in these gods, were they?
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou
    Well the "under God" part was added but also the whole "United States of America" part was an added addition as well. If you throw out the "under God" because it wasn't included in the original than you ought to throw out the "United States of America" too for the same reason.
    We're talking about Constitutional issues, and that doesn't include children saying the phrase 'United States of America.' A teacher can direct her students to recite this phrase anytime, but can't direct them to use religious phrases.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by star2589
    the phrase "Under God" has been in the pledge long enough that I dont see much reason to remove it now. by now it has historical meaning.
    Oh, well since we've had it so long it makes in Constitutional? We had slavery even longer, so I guess we should reinstate that then. Apply that argument to other things this country has done and you'll see how bad it is.
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    Re: Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Columbusite
    Oh, well since we've had it so long it makes in Constitutional? We had slavery even longer, so I guess we should reinstate that then. Apply that argument to other things this country has done and you'll see how bad it is.
    there is nothing unconstitutional about the pledge of alligiance. forcing people to say it is another matter.

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